Schoolboy Pranks and Death Threats

Simon, I continue to see posts by you about how badly the Chinese netizens have treated the poor, helpless, defenseless, innocent media buddies of yours. I have yet to see you defend against the accusations themselves. Can you? Why don't you take a look at http://www.anti-cnn.com/, then give us an answer? The big story here is 'Chinese netizens vs Western Media', right? Shouldn't the professional, reporter-ly thing to do be to examine both sides of the story? ;-)

By the way, I do have to confess that it is rather funny to think of CNN being grouped in with people like Zheng Xin! Although I'm sure I shouldn't be, since this excoriation of foreign reporters is Very Serious Business (TM).

Zhangsan

PS:

On further reflection, I'm not sure if I would categorize this behavior as 'childish', actually. The more I think about this, the more it reminds me of two things:

1) Hacker DOS (Denial Of Service) attacks. Basically, the internet equivalent; bombarding people's servers with so many fraudulent requests that real ones aren't able to go through, and consequently crashing the server. This is a essentially a phone DOS attack, except one through human manpower rather than computers, which leads me to...

2) ...Political back-alley machinations. There have been stories from ex-Republican political 'activists' of illegal behavior they took to help win elections; one of those tactics was to bombard the phone lines of Democratic coordination centers, so that legitimate calls and inquiries by voters to the Democratic coordination centers wouldn't be able to go through.

Schoolboy antics? Hm. My first reaction as well, but perhaps that's being a little too dismissively.

Mr. Elegant:

Do you have any idea how offending these articles have been to ordinary Chinese people? It's just like what you would hear on those phone calls, but probably even more!

What you saw/hear there was merely a reaction to the general hostile reportings. You think they are making hate speech, but it is those medias that first made such speeches.

If you side with Dalai lama, there is actully a similiar analogy. From your point of view, those Tibetan violence could bejustified, because they are just a reaction to Chinese suppression. The same can be said to these phone calls, it's Chinese netizens verbal violence toward general Western hostile attitude.

(Please do not claim you are friendly when you advocate Tibet indepence and accuse Chinese who went to Tibet to build roads, schools and hospitals as colonist)

I hardly have any sympathy for the treatment those racists journalists are getting.

Their words are murdering people.
They deserve much more severe punishments than that.

Simon

It seems you simply can not understand the real situation. Maybe you may compare this situation with the time of USA after '911'. You may imagine how you American would be pissed off if you saw some major media portraits those terrorists as heroes, says nothing about the innocent death, and put all the pressure to your government.

WoW... So this is Mr. Elegant....speachless...

You can read Chinese, but you just choose those hatred information... There are a lot serious discussion in the Chinese web-shpere, but you just ignore them! You proved yourself practicing the selective reporting. You are not a jounalist, but a politican.

Why not just cite the comments following your China blogs recently? Is that still "hairy"?? I suppose your blog dose not output the commentaries via RSS. So your readers will not see them. What an elegant arrangement!

From your recent posts in this blog, I confirmed you are really qualified to be professional propaganda cadre. You will never lose your job. Hah, You must get a Master of Bias reporting.

Cheers! Hairy man.

simon,

we chinese are such friendly,hospitable,innocent,i think you can feel that in beijing.if you are in america,you are nothing,you are just second-class citizen in america,but in china,we respect u and give u the greatest honour,but what u give to innocent chinese? time from time to hurt chinese.giving some free time to hear yourself heart,what you should do and what you should not do now.chinese still can forgive u if you know you were wrong.

simon,

we chinese are such friendly,hospitable,innocent,i think you can feel that in beijing.if you are in america,you are nothing,you are just second-class citizen in america,but in china,we respect u and give u the greatest honour,but what u give to innocent chinese? time from time to hurt chinese.giving some free time to hear yourself heart,what you should do and what you should not do now.chinese still can forgive u if you know you were wrong.

Mr. Elegant, although I disagree with you regarding your way of reporting Tibet and oppose your pursuit of Tibet independence, I offer my sympathy for your confusion in the face of "schoolboy pranks and death threats." I would pray for your safety in China.

I'm not sure what "VPN" you're using, but if it is indeed a VPN, the data your computer sends and receives is encrypted and the Golden Shield (GFW) will not be able to tell what you're looking at.

If your using just a proxy, then of course you're going to have a tough time looking at websites the government has "harmonized".

As for the schoolboy pranks, the jokes on them. Have you ever tried calling a major corporation? Trying to navigate through the phone system maze takes forever. Let them waste their money on long distance charges.

Here is another piece about how Chinese government protects the weak and the poor:

http://news.sina.com/oth/phoenixtv/301-106-106-106/2008-03-27/18542769377.html

The receptionist they sought for a county office is paid 1800 yuan a month. That's huge. More importantly, they must be able to sing and dance, and can drink a gin of baijui. Now that's rich. That means drink dance and work is a normal work requirement. That also indicated they are allowed to sing, dance and drink at work. There is no job in the US that would allow that. This really show how well the Chinese workers are treated, even receptionists, contrast to the poor treatment US is giving to its low wage earners.

No wonder China is the paradise of workers, especially those who like sing, dance and drink at work.

I'm a little confused. I have read many different western media sources on Tibet. The ones I saw correctly listed the Nepal photos as Nepal. It seems there have been mistakes made. However, so far as I have seen, the Chinese government lists about 4 or 5 out of hundreds of reports made having mistakes.

Don't the Chinese know that that's actually a good percentage of accuracy for the western media in making mistakes. Okay, I'm joking there, but I believe these were mistakes.

My question to all those claiming lies, hidden agenda and such, I ask "Where is your proof?" As in actual evidence that could be used in a court of law.

Let's also look at the fact that those that have made the mistakes have admitted to them and issued retractions. When was the last time a Chinese media site issued a retraction?

How can one trust a media who are controlled by a one party government I ask? If Chinese citizens who are attacking the western media directed even half that energy towards their own biased media, they might make a difference.

The Chinese media keep reporting how the Chinese government has complete evidence that the Dalai Lama masterminded the whole affair. Do you know that in the western media, they would ask to see that evidence and NOT just take it for granted the government is telling the truth? So far no evidence has been released, just talk!

One final thought for all those upset at western media. You know how you make sure mistakes don't happen and you get transparency in reporting? You actually allow reporters to the scene and report! And I don't mean 2 weeks after the fact with government guides. Seemed to work in Iraq to find out the American Government was wrong and there were NO weapons of mass destruction Why don't you ask the Chinese government to try that. Didn't think so.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=acHkXqik_Bo

based on documents written by westerners.

Dear western friends, please read more about Dalia and Xizang. All the references here are by western historians.

http://cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history0.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_sovereignty_debate

http://www.iivs.de/~iivs01311/SDLE/Contents.htm The Shadow of the Dalai Lama

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/dalai.asp HELLO, DALAI!

The logic apparently is what the West did is normally simple, honest mistake. Opps, the news come out with wrong caption, cropped picture, unverified sensational title…my bad. I’ll change it later WHEN THE DAMAGED HAD BEEN DONE! If a fast food culture, a title, a picture may all that is picked up by casual reader. Why don’t they man up and try to sincerely correct the mistake and do some honest reporting from both sides?

The “mistake” can go on and one…oops, the US had “mistakenly” bombed Chinese embassy, “mistakenly” bombed some Arabic TV/Radio station (because they are airing “lies” and hate speech), “mistakenly” shipped missile fuses to Taiwan, “mistakenly” intercept Chinese ship at international sea and found no chemical weapon component, “mistakenly” bombed Iraq into rubbles and killed (I don’t know how many, just google it)…How long do you want such “mistakes” list to go one? Has any anyone wondered if such “mistakes” are “policies” after all?

Both sides are doing “Selective Reporting” to serve own agenda. The difference is one is self claimed free press and has much larger influence around the globe.

China has many problems. However, it does not give the right for other people to freely sling mud at her. A not very good analogy could be…at certain rebellious age, kids do not like their parents that much. They may yell “I hate you”! However, when they grow up, see more and learn more, they will know the sacrifice their parents had done for them. All families have problems, big or small….but it is all in the family. If the parents are wronged or unjustified accused of, what do you expect the kids do?

To Jay

"However, so far as I have seen, the Chinese government lists about 4 or 5 out of hundreds of reports made having mistakes." Point them out.

You can believe the "mistakes" are mistakes, but we believe that they are just normal western propaganda. If they are mistakes, why have some notes mentioning something wrong by mistake, rather than changed them secretly?

"How can one trust a media who are controlled by a one party government I ask? "
This is just simply another bias idea. So because China is a one party government, then everything it says is a lie? So unfair, arrogant, and illogical. You seems don't have any evidence, and your conclusion is based on this wrong assumption.

"The Chinese media keep reporting how the Chinese government has complete evidence that the Dalai Lama masterminded the whole affair."
Chinese government always blame the Dalai clique but not Dalai who plan this riots! And I think they will provide some evidence soon.

To Simon

If you read Chinese, I recommend you to have a look at this blog.
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/shiaolin&article_id=25798218

The relation between Tibetan citizen and Han citizen is not as bad as you thought.

Jay is a typical westerner who will forgive every error in westerner media as innocent mistakes, i.e. small percentage, and every other error in China as a vindication of something significant.

To Chinese, the blindness of those people to their own prejudice is beyond belief:

1. Jay was comparing how US allows media into Iraq but China is not allowing media to Tibet.
This is nonsense. *Friendly* US media was allowed in Iraq and embedded in military. US were far more controlling on media access that than Tibet was. As of why the lack of WMD at the end? Not the media concluded that, in fact the US media was still trumpeting those trailers as evidence of bio/chem weapons. Remember? It just became too hard to fabricate evidence for US.

2. The Chinese media is progress to the point people feel they can connect. The US/Europe media had took a sharp turn right into a racism propaganda machine. People react to changes.

3. Jay asked what evidence can be used in the court of law. That is a good question. When US medis whipped up anti-Chinese frenzy, what evidences did it have that can be used in the court of law? One step further, when US media convinced the public to declare a war on another country, resulting in hundres of thousands death, what evidences did it have that can be used in the court of law?

4. The fundamental statement about the high percentage of reporting being accurate is baseless. On the contrary, high percentage of US media reports on forein matters in a non-white country are either false or tainted by racism.

5. The wetsern journalists are quickly becoming the soldiers of civilization clashes. They have successfully lighted the fire of West-Arab clash in Middle East. The next one is the Sino-West clash in Far East. We Chinese need no mercy on those racism murder instigators.

Please don't say Jay is a typical westerner... or maybe I'm just not a typical westerner...

Anyway, no one in their right mind would trust the media here to report something as "unbiased". All you have to do is look to see who owns what and what those people's political affiliations are and how many lobbists they have in congress.

Take for example the 2004 presidential campaigne when the media took a clip of Howard Dean screaming for fun at a rally, and blew it way, WAY out of proportion... and then Dean's campaigne crashed. Afterwards various media "talking heads" mused that maybe, just maybe their ridiculous over-play had contributed to the campaigne's demise.... YA THINK!?

So ya, I never take at face value what the media (or the government) says. They, like everyone else, are just trying to cover their own behinds and make themselves look better. The sky would fall if any media agency or government could offer up a humble apology, correct their mistakes, and be a better "person" for anything other than PR reasons :P

Seriously, any sympathies I have die (or at least suffer a terminal illness) when the "oppressed" party resorts to violence. There is never any excuse for the horrible actions of the rioters in Tibet. They may have just anger over a situation, but to resort to violence is to simply dig themselves a deeper hole (just look at the situation of African-American communities after the race riots of the 60s, etc). Only by working hard at understanding each other will a just conclusion be reached. And sometimes you just have to take all your frustration and anger and turn it into something more productive, as hard as that is (you know, making lemonaid).

lol...

i guess how China has been the center of your life since you were born ..

you must be living in a hateful mood...

no wonder your posts show no beauty of humanity...

obviously correction of your ideas couldn't help you be a decent man...you need a character revamption

What is a "revamption"?? I tried looking it up on dictionary.com but got no results :P

West's Tibet 'bias' galls many in China
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/asia/la-fg-embattle27mar27,1,5630684.story?page=1

Mark Magnier tries to explain the Chinese mood without drawing black and white conclusions. I think it's worth reading for people from all sides.

The tendency to emphasize on "it is hard to tell how much concern over Western bias has been fanned by the Chinese government" though, itself shows the bias in western media. Why hasn't any journalist written a story on the propaganda/disinformation from exiled tibetan groups and the effects they had on ethnic tibetans, especially the tibetan monks? Because his holiness is too holy to touch? Or because the journalists themselves have held certain views and they are no longer diffident observers? Or simply because lazy journalism is at work?

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iUfsoamXS1Rw757Y_hOIZPVxH-SA

This is from someone capable of thinking. This is exactly how I felt.

Rebecca MacKinnon, formerly Beijing bureau chief for CNN, and now a media and Internet expert at the University of Hong Kong, said other serious incidents, such as the NATO bombing of the Chinese embassy in the Serbian capital of Belgrade in 1999, provoked similar reactions.

"In all of these cases, people who had access to the information from the outside chose not to believe it, and chose to side with their own government, even those people who were quite critical of corruption and other aspects," she said.

"But to wipe these off as all of these people are puppets of the Chinese government is to really misunderstand what is going on."

Dear Sara,

I can assure you are the typical westerner. :p

Everytime I talk with my westerner friends, most of them accept my view about Tibet when I explain the situation in detail. Most of the aggrresive posts here are motivated by anger. An angry person can only explore his opinion, no matter what you tell him. That's just human nature.

Cheers

Zhihua:

I think a good deal of it stems from many American's general distrust of communism itself. Our nation has a long history of hysteria about anything to do with socialism and communism in particular. The roots of this go back to the Idustrial Revolution when workers began to mobilize to get fair wages and treatment. The media (owned by the same people who owned the idustries) demonized these workers and their strikes as being "un-American". This trend continued into the 20th century when politians used "Red Scares" to drum up support for whatever their cause was. The hysteria over communism began to crack when McCarthy began attacking anyone who got in his way (basically, it got laughable ridiculous... though people then weren't laughing).

Though anti-Islam hysteria has in large part replaced the communism hysteria, the distrust remains. Americans are indoctrinated from a very young age to believe in the retoric of democracy and freedom to the point where many believe that it is the ONLY way. We also have a natural sympathy for those who cry "independence" (history... ya).

Regardless of where you stand on opinion in any matter, death threats are never cool.

Simon同学也去天涯玩啊,这样天涯的童鞋会很开心的,欢迎欢迎
不过我到是不赞成打电话骂人这种方式
不过发表抗议还是可以的

o.o

does that say something naughty? >.>

quote:
o.o

does that say something naughty? >.>

Posted by Sara | March 28, 2008 6:52 PM

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I'm just a schoolboy ,^o^.....trick or treat?-_-|||

天涯论坛不仅不是官方网站，而且是中国最能反映民间舆论的网站。所以你可以在天涯看到中国人民最原始最直接的态度！
－－－－－看出来来了么，这是一个天涯公用的ID！

中华民族不害怕来自任何人，任何机构或任何政府的挑衅，也决不允许任何人，任何机构或者任何政府的诬蔑！

凸

FYI:

The link of this article has been posted on the Chinese BBS you quoted, which has millions of viewers.

Have fun!

FYI:

The link of this article has been posted on the Chinese BBS you quoted, which has millions of viewers.

Have fun!

Posted by Xi | March 28, 2008 7:25 PM

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yep,enjoy it............ o.o

天涯的童鞋们,schoolboy们,不要太严肃了,这里的成年人非常之严肃,另人无趣...
但是记住,我们是schoolboy!!

you're a big lier
shame for CNN which is the biggest organization lier.

俺们炎黄子孙,国家统一不可分!!!!

好了,现在严肃点,日本导演黑泽明有一部电影,电影里发生了一个案件,结果每个当事人陈述的事实都不同.因为每个人都有自己的利益和弱点,为了掩盖自己的弱点,他们都有不同程度的说谎.
在西藏这个问题上,西藏流亡政府和北京都有不同的说法,因为他们都有不同的"弱点",这是西藏版的罗门生 :)
因此为了弄清真相,我们需要一个客观的第三方
Simon,我推荐你看王力雄的一本书(或许你已经看过了,呵呵)
王力雄是一位自由作家,汉族人,妻子是藏族人.他曾经受到DALAI LAMA的四次接见
我觉得即使天葬这本书可能不能做到字字准确,但是相比较西藏流亡政府和北京,这大概是最接近真实的一本了吧
如果真的关心西藏问题,那么你一定要看看 :)

书名是天葬：西藏的命运 :)

hello,Simon Elegant ! could you tell us how about 達賴vsCIA,達賴vs希特勒 they're Friendship？you don't know or you don't want tell us the true.

居然真的能用，看到这行字的老外们‘幸会+124’，PIAO~

If those western median apologize for their shameless lies about the riot in Tibet, then there will be no trouble. Otherwise, I have to say they deserve those punishments, since they slander Chinese people and Chinese government.

I wish the lord will forgive the ones who make the lies and try to use those lies to create more chaos and more violence, otherwise they shall suffer at the end.

we wish more people know the truth!

Tianya Tourist Party

Piao (drift)

Piao

Tianya Tourist Party

楼上几位很好,很强大 --_--|||

Simon, you're a sexist! I'm a schoolgirl, not a schoolboy! We can play pranks, too! Boo! I know you can't get the big facts straight, but at least try not to be a sexist!

Tianya Tourist Party Member

RE Sara: Here's a translation of the previous posts. You owe me one ;-).

"Simon同学也去天涯玩啊,这样天涯的童鞋会很开心的,欢迎欢迎.不过我到是不赞成打电话骂人这种方式
不过发表抗议还是可以的"

"Classmate [a friendly epithet, not a derisive one] Simon can also come to Tianya [literally, 'Heaven's End', a popular Chinese forum/bbs] and play, this way the other students at Tianya will be very happy. Welcome, welcome! Although I do not agree with the idea of calling up [western newspapers] and cursing at people, it's fine to express one's protests."

"天涯论坛不仅不是官方网站，而且是中国最能反映民间舆论的网站。所以你可以在天涯看到中国人民最原始最直接的态度！"

"Not only is the Tianya forum not a government website, it is the website which best reflects the average citizen's opinion in all of China. Thus, at Tianya, you would be able to see firsthand the most genuine feelings and attitude of the Chinese people!"

"中华民族不害怕来自任何人，任何机构或任何政府的挑衅，也决不允许任何人，任何机构或者任何政府的诬蔑！"

"The Chinese people aren't afraid of anyone, any institution, or any government, no matter where they are from. And [we] definitely will not accept any person, any institution, or any government slandering us!"

"天涯的童鞋们,schoolboy们,不要太严肃了,这里的成年人非常之严肃,另人无趣...但是记住,我们是schoolboy!!"

"Classmates and schoolboys of Tianya, don't be too serious. Everybody here is so solemn, it makes things boring. But remember, we're schoolboys!" [I don't understand this post that well either.]

"俺们炎黄子孙,国家统一不可分!!!!"

"We're the descendants of Huang [referring to the legendary first emperor of China], and our country must never be broken apart!"

"好了,现在严肃点,日本导演黑泽明有一部电影,电影里发生了一个案件,结果每个当事人陈述的事实都不同.因为每个人都有自己的利益和弱点,为了掩盖自己的弱点,他们都有不同程度的说谎.
在西藏这个问题上,西藏流亡政府和北京都有不同的说法,因为他们都有不同的"弱点",这是西藏版的罗门生 :)
因此为了弄清真相,我们需要一个客观的第三方
Simon,我推荐你看王力雄的一本书(或许你已经看过了,呵呵)王力雄是一位自由作家,汉族人,妻子是藏族人.他曾经受到DALAI LAMA的四次接见我觉得即使天葬这本书可能不能做到字字准确,但是相比较西藏流亡政府和北京,这大概是最接近真实的一本了吧
如果真的关心西藏问题,那么你一定要看看 :)"

"Alright, let's be a bit more serious here. The Japanese director Hei Zeming once shot a movie in which there was a [legal] case where the stories told by all the litigants were different. Because each person's argument had their own interests at heart, in order to conceal the flaws within their arguments, they all lied to a certain degree.

On the question of Tibet, the "Tibetan Government in Exile" and the Beijing government each have spun the situation to their own benefit, because they each have their own flaws. This is a problem with the Tibetan discourse.

Therefore, in order to find out what really happened, we need a neutral third party. Simon, I would recommend you read a book by Wang Lixiong (perhaps you have already read it, hehe). Wang Lixiong is a freedom writer, a Han man whose wife is Tibetan, and has interviewed the Dalai Lama four times. I feel that even though this book, "Tianzang" ['Heavenly Burial', referring to a Tibetan burial practice] probably isn't entirely accurate, but compared to the positions of the "Tibetan Government in Exile" and the Beijing government, this probably comes closest to the truth. If you really care about the Tibet question, you really should take a look :)"

"书名是天葬：西藏的命运 :)"

"The book is called "Heavenly Burial: The Destiny of Tibet."

"達賴vsCIA,達賴vs希特勒"

"Dalai vs CIA, Dalai vs Hitler".

"居然真的能用，看到这行字的老外们‘幸会+124’，PIAO~"

"Any foreigners who see this sentence, good fortune + 124, PIAO" [again, not too sure of the meaning of this; very colloquial]

Simon is as good as a malicous, anti-China, bitching-loud against Chinese and sub-par journalist.

You posted part of the AP story about ranting monks. You deliberately left out the major part of the story which also said something about the innoncent people killed in the violence and the mourning. Again, like so many of your biased colleagues, you chose to see what you wanted to see, not the true big picture which an honest journalist should grasp.

SHAME ON YOU! Mr. "little scrappy" Simon Elegant.

When journalists wrote some nonsense and hysterical things, they always stirred strong reflections among the audience. Media organizations always get complaints all across the world, sometimes violent complaints. You can sue the readers as you do have the right if the complaints are reaching a harassing level. You can also do some soul-seaching to find out why you have come so far in upsetting and angering the usually peace-loving and mild-mannered people.

As for the tactics demonized by you, I won't use them, but I do feel someone like you should be reminded of the facts and have a reality check from time to time.

Don't put up the face of a victim when you're confronted with the readers whom you have so shamelessly offended. When you sided with the pro-violence Tibetan rioters, you lost your conscience and your humanity. With your intellectually dishonest reporting, you have no right to claim you are a victim. You own the Chinese people, who are the true victims of your biased reports, a sincere apology.

Munir Ming

You're too generous, he's not even a sub-par journalist, he's just a sub-par storyteller...maybe even that's giving him too much credit, it's not as if Simon has any written skills to speak of.

"楼上几位很好,很强大"

"The gentlemen upstairs [referring to previous posters] are so very great, so very mighty!" [heavy sarcasm]

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Basically, it looks like this article has been linked to and attracted the attention of the very popular Chinese Tianya forum. They all use the handle of "天涯观光团", which literally translates into "Tianya Touring Group", a reference to the name of the forum.

Zhangsan

张三同学,李四代表全国人民感谢你

Ah, a fine example of the "pick-and-choose" technique that all Western reporters like to use, especially when it concerns China.

I'll continue translating a while because this is actually quite fun. Plus, it's always good to help promote cross-cultural understanding.

"张三同学,李四代表全国人民感谢你"

"Classmate Zhangsan, Lisi would like to thank you on behalf of all Chinese people" [A play on words; the Chinese saying 'Zhangsan, Lisi' from which I drew my handle is the equivalent of saying 'any Tom, Dick, or Harry'. It's similar to saying, "John Doe, Jane Doe asked me to tell you thanks."]

Another interesting observation of how western journalists are dealing with the true feelings of the Chinese people.

They usually think they are the beacon of freedom for the Chinese people. They want to help us, save us and enlighten us. Somewhere in their mind, they think the chinese people should be grateful to them.

BUT, haha, you know what, the Chinese people are not what they think of them now! We have our own sense of right and wrong. We never truely like their biased reports on China. We hate their condescending and patronizing tone.

As shocking as it is, they have found out that we are free of their manipulation. We have our own judgement, independent of their biased reports.

So they come back to bite us. They go from demonizing China to smearing Chinese people.

This is exactly what Mr. Scrappy Little Simon Elegant has been doing when he blasts us when we strongly disagree with him on his version of anti-China journalism.

That's hilarious. Anyway, Mr. Scrappy Little Simon Elegant has never been a friend to China or the Chinese people and much less he can be our lecturer. If he wants the fight, let's give him the fight. We'll beat him all the way to common sense and logic.

围观Simon被调戏。

我只是来观光的schoolgirl
关于这次外媒干的龌龊事么
黎叔生气了，后果很严重

"围观Simon被调戏。"

"Besieged Simon is being [mocked and teased]***"

***The connotation here is that the words used, "调戏", are usually used to refer to women whom men tease inappropriately. Taken in this context, the comment is not defending him, but also mocking him.

Zhangsan

张三同学，泥太可爱了，mua一个

i am not schoolboy , i am schoolgirl

张三同学，泥太可爱了，mua一个

i am not schoolboy , i am schoolgirl

"我只是来观光的schoolgirl
关于这次外媒干的龌龊事么
黎叔生气了，后果很严重"

"I'm just a schoolgirl who came sightseeing.
With regards to the dirty things which have happened recently, 'Uncle Li is very angry, the repercussions will be very severe.'***"

***Quoting a famous line in a popular movie called "天下无贼", "A World Without Thieves."

Zhangsan

Westerners have a vision of what a Chinese person should be like, except there are very few that actually fit the model. It must take a lot of mind juggling to mold us to fit your perception, doesn't it, Simon? You poor thing. I hope you take lots of vitamins so your braincells can grow back real fast.

Prankish Schoolgirl

You big crybaby.

前schoolgirl前来慰问奋战在此博第一线的天涯同鞋~~
我终于找到学习外语的最大动力了，不是为了成绩分数，而是为了发出自己的声音。

"张三同学，泥太可爱了，mua一个"

"Classmate Zhangsa, you're too cute, 'mua' [kiss?] you one."

You are lucky. The post has been "harmonized".

西藏是中国的内政问题,中国人处理自己国家问题外国人没有权利干涉,如果没有办法做到你们标榜的所谓的新闻真实,客观性,那么请闭上你们的臭嘴,谢谢.

西藏是中国的内政问题,中国人处理自己国家问题外国人没有权利干涉,如果没有办法做到你们标榜的所谓的新闻真实,客观性,那么请闭上你们的臭嘴,谢谢.

西藏是中国的内政问题,中国人处理自己国家问题外国人没有权利干涉,如果没有办法做到你们标榜的所谓的新闻真实,客观性,那么请闭上你们的臭嘴,谢谢.

"前schoolgirl前来慰问奋战在此博第一线的天涯同鞋~~
我终于找到学习外语的最大动力了，不是为了成绩分数，而是为了发出自己的声音。"

"I have finally become motivated to learn English. Not for grades, nor for school, but to be able to let my voice be heard."

"西藏是中国的内政问题,中国人处理自己国家问题外国人没有权利干涉,如果没有办法做到你们标榜的所谓的新闻真实,客观性,那么请闭上你们的臭嘴,谢谢."

"Tibet is a matter of Chinese internal affairs. Foreigners have no excuse to interfere in Chinese people taking care of Chinese affairs. If you aren't able to actually perform at your self-performed high level of quality and objectivity, then please shut your mouths, thanks."

Zhangsan

Simon来天涯玩嘛，天涯人民会好好疼爱you的哈哈

"Simon来天涯玩嘛，天涯人民会好好疼爱you的哈哈"

"Simon, come on over to Tianya and play! The Tianya community will love and dote on you, haha."

Zhangsan

Too young, too simple, sometimes naive.

Too young, too simple, sometimes naive.
Simon, that is...although that is simply a purposeful act to refuse any knowledge that does not fit with his world views.

Mixed with some Chinese witticism, this blog has been much fun.

Thanks to all the posters here.

Here is my two cents:

This is a serious English blog. How about reducing our playful tone a little? And in case some westerners are also reading this blog, we'd better use English to beat Mr. Little Scrappy Simon Elegant. Of course, Chinese witticism with English explanation is alway fun.

This is just what they say IMAO. Just feel free to do what you like. ^_^

"张三同学，泥太可爱了，mua一个"

"Classmate Zhangsa, you're too cute, 'mua' [kiss?] you one."

Posted by Zhangsan | March 28, 2008 10:08 PM

_________________________________________

张三同学不用假装不好意思了,这个schoolgirl绝对是给了你一个KISS的.....O.O

今夜,有无数schoolgirl挽起头发,把脸涂黑,假装成schoolboy来到这里...

TO Munir Ming:
我们是schoolboy!不要用成年人的标准来要求我们

不管，继续调戏之
凸^ ^
no offence, lol

偶来看看王二麻子。

来观光
这次你们什么自由，民主的CNN更出名了哦，可是是臭名

"张三同学不用假装不好意思了,这个schoolgirl绝对是给了你一个KISS的.....O.O

今夜,有无数schoolgirl挽起头发,把脸涂黑,假装成schoolboy来到这里...

TO Munir Ming:
我们是schoolboy!不要用成年人的标准来要求我们"

"Classmate Zhangsan, don't pretend to be shy, that schoolgirl definitely gave you a kiss....O.O

Tonight, there are countless schoolgirls who have tied up their hair, scuffed up their face, and pretended to be schoolboys here...

TO Munir Ming:
We're schoolboys! Please don't ask us to behavior by the standards of adults"

"不管，继续调戏之
凸^ ^
no offence, lol"

"Who cares, keep on teasing'm."

"偶来看看王二麻子。"

"[Random insult not worth translating.]"

"来观光
这次你们什么自由，民主的CNN更出名了哦，可是是臭名"

"I've come to watch. This time, your so-called 'free, democratic' CNN has become even more well-known than before. Unfortunately, it's infamy."

天涯的schoolboy来观光鸟~
Simon童鞋 奉劝您一句 做人不能太cnn哪~

本来可是有相当一部分人相信西方媒体的呦
这次信用完全破产
只能怪自己
还有低估了祖国完整统一是所有中国人的底线
太小看流在我们身体里的血液了

额,严肃了

调戏一下SIMON
3分走人

How do you guys still find this place? I thought my post had been harmonized.

Only the first post was harmonized, someone posted the link again on a later post.

It seems the powerful Tianya human serch engine (天涯人肉搜索引擎) is in a new mission. Poor Simon, nobody want to piss them off so much.

It seems the powerful Tianya human serch engine (天涯人肉搜索引擎) is in a new mission. Poor Simon, nobody want to piss them off so much.

Dear Ms. Pelosi,

I would like to provide more feedbacks pertaining to your recent comments regarding violence in Tibet for your kind perusal and reference.

I noticed that you talked about human rights, freedom, and Tibetan independence. Of course, as a citizen of a major Western democracy, it is your freedom to say whatever that you might like within the frame of law and common decency. However, you are not free to say whatever you like as an elected official that represents the government of the United States of America and the American people. Instead, whatever you say must be consistent to the best interest of the United States of America, must represent the best that this great country has to offer, and reflect world class political wisdom and communication skills.

I feel that your comments could have been more balanced, could have contained more political wisdom, and could have reflected more moral courage as remarks made by a representative of the American people.

1) It is easy to talk about human rights in indignation. It is easy to denounce Chinese government in flaming language. And it is easy to gesture staunch support for His Holiness Dalai Lama. These involve very little effort and any Americans can do it with or without your kind of political experience and leadership skills.

2) The acme of political leadership, in my mind, is to strike a balance in thoughts and action. You should never achieve one critical objective for the nation at the expense of another. For example, on one hand, you have to support His Holiness Dalai Lama and clearly articulate American government position. On the other hand, you must be sensitive to the Chinese people, and be mindful that your words should not and will not hurt American vital interests in China.

3) We have vital interests in China. For example, Microsoft has some of its best software foundries and labs in Shanghai and Beijing. IBM and Intel have tremendous investment in Dalian and Shenzhen. The American icon, Bank of America has 30 billion US dollar worth of investment with China Construction Bank. I myself, an ordinary American citizen, have invested in a luxury condominium in Northern China. I certainly hope that when an federal official works on issues such as the recent Tibet challenge, he or she could be careful that his or her words and acts so as to promote our relationship with China because a better relationship with China is consistent to American interest in China.

4) It is a very tough job to strongly express an official US position that the Chinese might not like, at the same time, improve relationship with Chinese government and Chinese people. However, it is not impossible and it is something that must be done. American people hire top notch political talents to manage tough issues as such and do expect their national leaders to achieve high performance in sensitive communication and dedicate and difficult political issue management on behalf of the American people and its government with an appropriate adroitness and courage.

5) In my opinion, it involves little courage to constantly tell Beijing that how bad it is. Actually, flaming language with China as the target may serve domestic political purposes. It can gain you some political popularity because a number of my fellow Americans may not have the kind of exposure, information, and experience to fully understand what the long-term impact to our country is if we have a bad relationship with China. Instead, it demands tremendous moral courage to build a strategic relationship with China and win and earn the trust, the understanding, and the support of the Chinese people in OUR efforts to deal with global warming, strengthening environmental protection, fighting international terrorism, preventing nuclear weapon proliferation, and building a prosperous and peaceful world. We cannot do any of these without the full cooperation and collaboration of China. We need Chine as much as China depends on us in a world of interconnectivity and interdependency.

We Americans are a strong and proud people that are full of vigor and vitality. Our strength comes from we can openly discuss our differences, we are able to admit and correct our mistakes, and we have the confidence embrace positive changes and improvements even if we ourselves have been mistaken and need improvements.

I would like to ask you to seriously consider my feedbacks and ponder the possibility of a more balanced and better rounded strategy of political wisdom, strategic thinking, and moral courage in your managing critical issues relating to China and the Chinese people.

I take the time and effort to write to you hoping that we can all work together to do a better job for our great country. What I have said may not make sense at all due to my isolation, ignorance, and limitation of my experience. Please do not hesitate to let me know if you have any suggestions, comments, or concerns regarding this message.

God bless America!

Very respectfully,

David

A Chinese American

It seems the powerful Tianya human serch engine (天涯人肉搜索引擎) is in a new mission. Poor Simon, nobody want to piss them off so much.

Sorry, something wrong with my IE. I am not intended to post my last comment repeatly

张三同学不用假装不好意思了,这个schoolgirl绝对是给了你一个KISS的.....O.O

今夜,有无数schoolgirl挽起头发,把脸涂黑,假装成schoolboy来到这里...
----------------------------

today i know why we must study english.
to see you!

Simon says: do as I say, not as I do!

thanks for you
now we can find the real face of the west world

excuse foy my chineseenglish
but i think you can understand

I think this is the war of independence of the Chinese people fighting biased western media.

For many decades and even many centuries, we, the Chinese people, have been unfairly misunderstood, misrepresented and misjudged by western media organizations. There have been endless lies in lies, lies after lies, lies upon lies.

We, as the honest citizens of a civilized and proud nation, are fed up with this kind of skewed journalism. Hence I declare war against CNN, TIME and all other media outlets that have intentionally offended us with their inaccurate, inadequate, misleading and deceptional reporting.

Guys, come up with your versions of declaration of indepence. I'm looking forward to them.

A lot of the posts are starting to seem spammy. I'll ignore those for now.

"本来可是有相当一部分人相信西方媒体的呦
这次信用完全破产
只能怪自己
还有低估了祖国完整统一是所有中国人的底线
太小看流在我们身体里的血液了

额,严肃了

调戏一下SIMON
3分走人"

"Originally I really had great trust in Western Media. My faith has been entirely lost. I have no one to blame but myself. In addition, [you have?] underestimated the fatherland's belief that maintaining the unity of Chinese territory is the most basic desire of all Chinese people. You really have looked down upon the blood which flows in our veins!

Crap, [I've gotten] too serious.

Tease Simon, then disappear in 3 minutes."

Tianya:

We are agitating to form a "support China" campaign in SE Asia, especially in S'pore, Malaysia & Thailand, comprising all the local-born Chinese populations, Chinese overseas students & other sympathetic people. Local Chinese in SE Asia are also extremely incensed by the West in skewing news for their own agenda.

Keep bombarding these anti China blogs until they regain their sense of fair play. For those self-indulgent benevolent Chinese like Zhihua etc, good luck & keep pleading for your case. East is East while West is always West. These 2 civilisations will never converge for any meaningful accomodation until the end of time, this being our conclusion after having studied, lived, worked & played for untold years in the West. There is only one thing we can do, give them back the medicine they choose to serve us.

Dear Ms. Pelosi,

I would like to provide more feedbacks pertaining to your recent comments regarding violence in Tibet for your kind perusal and reference.

I noticed that you talked about human rights, freedom, and Tibetan independence. Of course, as a citizen of a major Western democracy, it is your freedom to say whatever that you might like within the frame of law and common decency. However, you are not free to say whatever you like as an elected official that represents the government of the United States of America and the American people. Instead, whatever you say must be consistent to the best interest of the United States of America, must represent the best that this great country has to offer, and reflect world class political wisdom and communication skills.

I feel that your comments could have been more balanced, could have contained more political wisdom, and could have reflected more moral courage as remarks made by a representative of the American people.

1) It is easy to talk about human rights in indignation. It is easy to denounce Chinese government in flaming language. And it is easy to gesture staunch support for His Holiness Dalai Lama. These involve very little effort and any Americans can do it with or without your kind of political experience and leadership skills.

2) The acme of political leadership, in my mind, is to strike a balance in thoughts and action. You should never achieve one critical objective for the nation at the expense of another. For example, on one hand, you have to support His Holiness Dalai Lama and clearly articulate American government position. On the other hand, you must be sensitive to the Chinese people, and be mindful that your words should not and will not hurt American vital interests in China.

3) We have vital interests in China. For example, Microsoft has some of its best software foundries and labs in Shanghai and Beijing. IBM and Intel have tremendous investment in Dalian and Shenzhen. The American icon, Bank of America has 30 billion US dollar worth of investment with China Construction Bank. I myself, an ordinary American citizen, have invested in a luxury condominium in Northern China. I certainly hope that when a federal official works on issues such as the recent Tibet challenge, he or she could be careful and his or her words and acts will help to promote our relationship with China. This is because a better relationship with China is consistent to American interest in China.

4) It is a very tough job to strongly express an official US position that the Chinese might not like, at the same time, improve relationship with Chinese government and Chinese people. However, it is not impossible and it is something that must be done. American people hire top notch political talents to manage tough issues as such and do expect their national leaders to achieve high performance in sensitive communication and dedicate and difficult political issue management on behalf of the American people with an appropriate adroitness and courage.

5) In my opinion, it involves little courage to constantly tell Beijing that how bad it is. Actually, flaming language with China as the target may serve domestic political purposes. It can gain you some political popularity because a number of my fellow Americans may not have the kind of exposure, information, and experience to fully understand what the long-term impact to our country is if we have a bad relationship with China. Instead, it demands tremendous moral courage to build a strategic relationship with China, to win and earn the trust, the understanding, and the support of the Chinese people in OUR efforts to deal with global warming, to strengthen environmental protection, to fight international terrorism, to prevent nuclear weapon proliferation, and to build a prosperous and peaceful world. We cannot do any of these without the full cooperation and collaboration of China. We need Chine as much as China depends on us in a world of interconnectivity and interdependency.

We Americans are a strong and proud people that are full of vigor and vitality. Our strength comes from that we can openly discuss our differences, we are able to admit and correct our mistakes, and we have the confidence to embrace positive changes and improvements even if we ourselves have erred and need improvements.

I would like to ask you to seriously consider my feedbacks and ponder the possibility of a more balanced and better rounded strategy of political wisdom, strategic thinking, and moral courage in your managing critical issues relating to China and the Chinese people.

I take the time and effort to write to you hoping that we can all work together to do a better job for our great country. What I have said may not make sense at all due to my isolation, ignorance, and the limitation of my experience. Please do not hesitate to let me know if you have any suggestions, comments, or concerns regarding this message.

God bless America!

Very respectfully,

David

A Chinese American

随团出动ye~~~~~~! 大家tx得很爽阿啊！

Hi,Hi, I'm a schoolgirl from CHINA tianya bbs.
Just want to tell you and your government,Tibet was, is and alaways be part of CHINA！！
And also want to tell you, we Chinese people very "appreciate" your media CNN doing such a good job in this case.
Thougth thier "wonderful" performance ,we've grown rather cynical about democracy.
Anyway sincerely wish your government can alaways be so "democratic" in your future time ..^_^

A post from Tianya.com, worth reading

『天涯时空』 [时事聚焦]西藏和新疆动乱 看民族政策(转载)

我在青海省柴达木工作过１６年。我太太作为支边青年在南疆工作过１０年。我们与大量的蒙古族，藏族，回族，撒拉族，维吾尔族，哈萨克族, 土族等少数民族共过事。我的太太本身就是回族。我对中国的少数民族现状,和经常发生动乱的藏区和南疆地区（占９０％以上）有比较多的了解。希望中国政府能采取有效的措施使边疆地区长治久安,造福于各族人民。
　　
　　在中国，各民族是不平等的。对少数民族特别优待。在工资，分房，上大学，找工作，生孩子等各种与日常生活有关方方面面都全面照顾。禁止汉人向少数民族地区移民。客观上造成了在部分地区，少数民族占绝大多数的状况长期得不到改变。在少数民族民族占绝大多数的地区，如西藏，南疆等地区，少数民族高人一等，飞扬拔扈。少数民族打汉人，杀了汉人，汉族干部和当地司法部门不敢管，不敢判。只有少数民族一把手点了头才能判刑。甚至发生了叛乱，少数民族一把手不同意，也不能定性为叛乱。这客观上鼓励少数民族民族中的不法分子为非作歹， 甚至发展成动乱。这种少数民族“政策”是内地的汉人无法想象的。
　　
　　１９７９年，我到我太太位于南疆阿克苏地区的农场去。在新疆乌鲁木其，或青海西宁，因汉人占７０％，我在那里旅行，住宿，吃饭，和内地城市一样没有什么特别。但是，到了南疆，维族占９０％。每到长途大巴停车吃饭，住宿，我们排在前面被开票的喝令靠边站。等所有的少数民族民族办完了才轮上汉人。我们好象二等公民。这样的现象被视为理所当然,熟视无睹。
　　
　　另一方面，优待少数民族政策导至大量汉人找出种种理由改为少数民族。无端的造成国家，民族的离心化。中国的少数民族比例从解放初的４％增加到如今的超过９％。以我为例，我在国内时，从事地质勘探工作，小孩子户口可以报到原籍或亲友家（这是在５０年代，由地质部长李四光为勘探队员争取来的福利）。小孩一出生就被我的岳父母家报户口成为回民。这样的少数民族人为增加不知有多少。加上单方面执行汉族一胎化政策。在若干年后，当汉族沦为少数民族民族时，即使，经济再发达，中国还能保持社会稳定及各民族和平共处吗？
　　
　　这种后患无穷的少数民族民族政策，不改能行吗？其实，彻底改变动乱地区的根本因素，很容易。政府取消上户口限制。允许自由移居。一旦汉族人口超过了少数民族。大规模的民族骚乱的可能性大大降低。我们在青海柴达木的单位就是例子。单位里大多数是汉族，也有不少藏族和蒙族。我们相处很好。特别是是蒙古族同事为人特别厚道, 肯干。我最喜欢蒙族。单位也厚待他们。在５０年代柴达木勘探初期，蒙族受雇当向导，拉骆驼。６０年代后，不需要向导和拉骆驼的了。年轻一代蒙族都被单位安排工作。老的一代蒙族工人没文化干不了别的，单位给他们一群羊让他们自给自足，每月照发工资。在文化大革命中，很乱，柴达木地区食品供应不上。蒙族老职工主动给单位送羊肉，打野驴，野牛跑一百公里送到单位。党委书记叫他们不送都不干。蒙族工人的一个三岁小孩子, 在除夕夜，在一百多公里外的草原上走失。小孩的父母到单位求援。全处出动２００多人自愿在摄氏零下３０度的严寒下手挽着手在草原上连夜开展拉网式搜索。那里大家都是平等的,很融恰。在８０年代初，北京中央民族学院的藏族学生要闹事。青海籍的藏族学生不愿参加他们。为什么？虽然，过去，汉族和其他少数民族有矛盾。 但现在，在青海, 大家是真正平等的。没有任何民族压倒另一个民族。为什么要抗议哪。何况，青海省牧区的牧民收入是比较高的。大力发展边疆经济，也是解决民族矛盾的一项重要任务。但这不是根本的。在加拿大，西班牙等发达国家，民族矛盾照样严重。
　　
　　有人说边疆那么苦，谁愿去？你太太那些知青不是都跑回内地了么？实际上，过去的政策，强行安排不愿去的城市青年去边疆。严禁愿意去新疆，西藏的穷苦地少的农民到那里，不但不报户口甚至当作盲流遣送回原籍。在我们原单位，勘探处的处长是甘肃农村人，他的弟弟就跑到新疆农村成为没户口的盲流。他觉得新疆比他的家乡好太多。种地象玩一样，收入比老家多太多了。有一次，我在火车上，与一位跑到西藏昌都的甘肃民勤的农民攀谈。他也说昌都农村如何好。种了菜如何来钱。回去还要把家里人都弄去。所以，只要自由上户口，老百姓自然流动就能逐渐解决边疆问题。
　　
　　 在中国，民族政策是一个谁都不敢碰的禁区。谁都不敢说实话. 中国什么作法都不怕世界各国评论，就怕外人说我们向少数民族地区移民。不知怕什么? 衷心希望中国能改弦更张，使边疆地区长治久安
　　
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真的可以留言？

羊文不好唉，谢谢张三TX的翻译

说点啥呢？

那个不知道西媒是不是经常报道假新闻，其它的也就乌拉乌拉过去了，但是国家内政请不要干涉了吧，还记得我们周总理提出得“和平五项原则”——互相尊重主权和领土完整、互不侵犯、互不干涉内政、平等互利、和平共处。

这句羊文我会，We need peace!We need the truth！

HOHO～～～～是不是很严肃？？

There is no way in hell I am going to translate all that. :)