China's Foiled 9/11? Or Officials' Overstretch?

Yeah, as you note no mantter what really happened, China looses. I'm just wondering why is that. If there were real terrorists, you think the security situation of the Chinese aviation industry sucks, and if there were none, the Chinese government sucks. Either way, you win and China looses. How sweet is that! Did you write that on 9-11?

As for what the old lady said, let me ask you some. It seems to me that you'd rather believe someone living thousands of miles away from the place where the incident happened than and the police officers and government officials actually involved in the investigation. Conspiracies always exist. But too much this kind stuff will reduce your credibity.

And also, if the old lady still knows everything about the terrorist organization (listed by the US State Departement, and of course you can question the credibility of that), doesn't that mean she is still actively involved in those activities? Can China seek her extradition for a terrorist trial?

The security of the Olympics should be the least of your worry. You'll be safe here, as you have always been. Go call your friends back in Amerca, because I just heard 24 states have some kind of drinking water contamination problem. Oh, man, that's terrifying.

The lack of transparency is really worrying. And it is deliberate. If we are prevented from knowing the facts then we can simply believe whatever story we want to believe.

I only believe that I'd rather be living in a transparent society based on laws and a free press than here (in China). Some comment trolls may be telling me to leave -- but I prefer to act and bring about change, rather than run away and watch things from a 'safe' distance.

The Games? Make me want to puke. Transparent Games, yes. As staged, fake spectacle of harmony that shows how great the government is doing? Puke.

@ Munir Ming: You wrote: "As for what the old lady said, let me ask you some. It seems to me that you'd rather believe someone living thousands of miles away from the place where the incident happened than and the police officers and government officials actually involved in the investigation."

That's exactly where the problem lies. Is the government really so much more credible than an elderly woman living thousands of miles away? The government gives you the party line, and the party line seems to be to crack down on all kinds of dissent in the name of a safe Olympics.

Therefore, we would really need to know the facts of what really happened, in order to assess whose version is closer to reality. Without facts and transparency, we all lose.

I second Munir Ming's comments. Just thought - those of you readers who are well versed in Chinese - you should inform those in Simon's neighborhood and have people there talk some sense into this guy! :)

@Wu Di
lol. Leave! omg, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound.

Anti-establishment voices are only heard when a country goes to hell - not when the conditions in a country is improving!

Your camp is too stupid to think that its within a government's interest to actually improve the country for which it governs.

Your camp doesn't speak economics, business, or anything that's familiar to the establishment crowd. The establishment calls shots - comprende?

What can we say? We'll just have to continue to ridicule your types until you give up.

@Everybody

OK, someone go talk some sense into Simon, please!!

> Just thought - those of you readers who are well
> versed in Chinese - you should inform those in
> Simon's neighborhood and have people there talk
> some sense into this guy!

[...]

> OK, someone go talk some sense into Simon,
> please!!

In other words, you're advocating that someone, preferably a group of people (right?), try to track down S.E. and bully him? You yourself would never say boo to the guy if you saw him on the street - unless you had a group of like-minded idiots to back you up.

It reflects exceedingly poorly on China when, time and time again, the same people who take upon themselves the job of "defending China" against its critics or, as often is the case, anyone trying to actually improve the place progress from personal insults to threats. Truly sad and pathetic.

I was just wondering if any so-called activist ever helped build a country.

I think some of you might still remember the "performance" of the so-called activist Chai, Lin in 1989.

I am astonished to hear what she said - "There should be some blood, but I have to live".

Huaren: I think someone gave me some good advice and as you mentioned before, if we click on what Simon posts, it helps him to make more money. So, let's just simply skip all posts he posted.

One could never talk to a guy without any sense or logic.

simon
i suggest you do little reading before belief some one who live thousands mile away from this incidents. here is one for starter. http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pages/editions/i47/09.pdf

This incident has the trustworthness of the South China Tiger, Tibet antelope on the Tibet railway, the card board boazi, the 60 deaths in the snow storm, the 7.8% inflation, and the moon shot. They are all real, as the Chinese government officials said. The Chinese government is extremely trustworth. That's why the people outside the Guangzhou train station stayed at the station while the government was convincing them to return to their factories. These people were so trusting the government that they stayed at the station in a snow storm, trusting their government to be able to put them on trains going home in time for the Spring Festival.

I wonder any Chinese here knows when Xinjiang was conquered and colonized by Chinese ? And I heard that China had 5000 years of history. So, is Xinjiang a historical territory of China ?

The part of Russian territories north of Manchuria was lost to Russia not too long ago. Will China has the backbone to ask for it back ? And I don't mean just half of an island in the middle of the river.

Big deal.

Everyone does it. The US Secretary of State lied at the UN security council about 'weapons of mass destruction'. The Blair administration plaigarised a graduate thesis to justify invading Iraq.

Every nation spins propaganda to protect its selfish interests in the 'War against Terrorism'.

The tragedy is that the West is just two 9/11s away from a popular dictatorship. It is a pity we are running out of good examples to challenge the Chinese with. Yahoo succumbed to Chinese pressure, Cisco is providing the skill and technology for an Orwellian nightmare and Wall Street hasn't seen a Chinese business it doesn't salivate over.

We lost a golden opportunity to provide moral leadership to China in 1989. After Tiananmen, we showed that we were primarily capitalists and not democrats. It is silly for us to lambast China for investing in Africa, when we invest in China with no strings attached. All the hullabaloo about Tibet hasn't stopped the British government from practically begging the Chinese to invest in London.

In the not to distant future, the economic down turn will force the French - then the British to break the EU arms embargo.

Have we really changed? Aren't we the same old pirates and opium traders?

@"huaren":

You wrote: "lol. Leave! omg, you have no idea how ridiculous you sound."

This means you accept my allegation that you are a "comment troll." Let me add to that arguably, you are either a comment troll paid by the Chinese government, or a comment troll too stupid to see what's really happening. Fact is that you are a comment troll, and that I'm wasting my time.

You said: "Anti-establishment voices are only heard when a country goes to hell - not when the conditions in a country is improving!"

China is on its way to hell as we speak. Now the U.S. has taken it off the list of the worst human rights offenders, which means the U.S. is in cahoots with China's party-state. Hell is coming dangerously close, it may be here every day.

You said: "Your camp is too stupid to think that its within a government's interest to actually improve the country for which it governs."

As I told you numerous times, I'm not part of any camp. And a government's interest is first of all to keep in power. Everything else comes afterwards.

You wrote: "Your camp doesn't speak economics, business, or anything that's familiar to the establishment crowd. The establishment calls shots - comprende?"

Communicating with you is like licking a frozen flag post: painful.

You wrote: "What can we say? We'll just have to continue to ridicule your types until you give up."

At least you admit that you are goal-driven. Silencing dissenting voices is a great way to achieve a harmonious Olympics and society.

Puke.

@King Jaja: I agree, the vast majority of human beings hasn't changed. And if we can't make them or laugh it off, then we all deserve the consequences, however grim they may be.

@John Smith: You ask: "I wonder any Chinese here knows when Xinjiang was conquered and colonized by Chinese?"

Answer: Occupied 1949. Colonized ever since.

The PLA/PAP simply strolled out to E. Turkestan and killed a few hundred Uyghurs then concocted a story about a separatist group.

March 11, 2008
THE CHINA SYNDROME: POISON PIG HEPARIN IS JUST AN EARLY WARNING
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THE CHINA SYNDROME:
POISON PIG HEPARIN IS JUST AN EARLY WARNING

Without any cynicism about progress in the PRC, we can reasonably predict
that the exportation of contaminated products to the US will continue
unless we choose to stop it.
The public record so far:

Contaminated pet food. 2007:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/17/business/trade.php .

Lead contaminated childrens toys. 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/business/worldbusiness/19toys.html .

Bio-contaminated blood thinners. 2008:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/ushealthmedicinechina .

With the exception of some of the toys marketed in the US, none of these
products were sold with the made in China label because 3rd world
ingredients included in products assembled or mixed or processed in the
first world - outsourced because of lower cost - are not routinely
disclosed to our consumers.
This is a case of un-policed contaminant smuggling driven by state
sanctioned communist greed. The sale to the West of contaminated goods by
Chinese manufacturers is a deeply systemic problem that will go unchecked
as long as it continues to reap the expected economic results for the
mainland Chinese government.
Chinas politically totalitarian system typically responds to these
scandals by executing a prominent CEO, then continuing business as usual
with substandard health inspections, falsified records or both.
Why is the problem systemic? Having unleashed state sanctioned market
forces, the communist regime has little incentive (or ability, for that
matter) to police its own capitalists as long as they continue to reap the
foreign hard currency needed to fuel the PRCs capital hungry military
infrastructure.
THE NUCLEAR REMEDY:
UNLEASH AMERICAN TRIAL LAWYERS?

In a perfect world, the errant companies (here Chinese state-owned and
controlled foreign entities pretending to be stand-alone capitalist
businesses) could be sued for damages and brought to heel by the trial
lawyers, just as American manufacturers have.
But this is not a perfect world. Instead, trial lawyers for the victims
can only sue our own companies, the distributors, assemblers and local
pharmaceutical companies that incorporated, used or otherwise sold the
tainted Chinese ingredients -- leaving the real culprit, the mainline
communist Chinese government, essentially untouched.
A few executions of a few CEOs will change little in that country. Our
current remedy is a form of legal cannibalism, in effect little victims
suing larger victims.
But we have a unique opportunity to change the dynamic in a dramatic way.
All three of the current presidential candidates are open to taking on the
problem of the China syndrome in a dramatically effective way.
Here is the solution. It would take an act of Congress and a tough
president willing to weather the economic and political firestorm that
would follow. But I promise you there is a solution: It would work like
a magic charm; even the threat of its implementation, if taken seriously,
would produce sincere, palliative changes in Chinese behavior.
WHO WILL BELL THE CAT?

Via appropriate federal legislation, the US could take the following
steps:
First: All Chinese mainland businesses and their subsidiaries would be
legally identified as agents of the Chinese government for all purposes,
and held strictly accountable for all acts and omissions that do any harm
or pose any unacceptable risk to American nationals.
Second: All Chinese assets in the US or elsewhere within the reach of
American jurisprudential jurisdiction, including especially monetary
instruments of indebtedness (like all US Treasury Bills) held directly or
indirectly by the Chinese government shall immediately become subject to
seizure and transfer of ownership by American federal courts to satisfy
any judgment.
In effect that great big Chinese credit card (as Senator Obama has put it)
by which the PRC has funded the US-Sino trade deficit and helped the US to
fund its giant fiscal deficit can be treated as an appropriable asset to
fund contamination lawsuits against Chinese business entities whose
products damage or pose risks to Americans.
Third: Appropriate implementing changes in federal tort claims law,
judgments and collection procedures and related technical changes would be
simultaneously enacted, including the power to freeze Chinese assets to
secure a likely judgment.

Turn loose our trial lawyers on the Chinese government, I say. All we
have to lose is our wimp image on the world commercial stage.
Which of the three U. S. senators running to be POTUS 09 will summon the
courage to propose this modest solution?
JBG

To all those crying for so-called independence for Xinjiang or Tibet:

Go on crying to death! Xinjiang and Tibet will still a part of China. How sad! BTW, I won't be there at your funerals.

Some 300 years ago, the contry called the United States of America did not exist. Are you going to tear it into pieces now?

I don't know why those people are always obsessed with breaking up a country. You think you are helping those minorities and feel pretty good about yourself as being a lofty activist. I say you are just ignorant.

Most countries have some kind of minority-group-trying-to-break-away problem. From Russia to Spain and from Turkey to Cyprus, you see it. To help fuel hatred among different ehthinic groups won't do any good. You're playing with the Pandora box.

To John Smith, if you are a Westerner, let me tell you something your predecessors did in this regard.

They created two countries along the ethnic line in Palestine and Israel, what have you got ever since that? Decades of wars and bloodshed. Ongoing. The British also created Pakistan and India in the same way. The whole world is still dealing with the dire consequences of it: two nuclear-armed countries ready to fight each other all the time.

My suggestion: try to help them roconcile and learn to live with each other in peace and in ONE COUNTRY. Things in China are not always smooth, but the bottom line is that as the whole country develops, all the ethnic gourps are better off than they were decades ago. At least we didn't compete to cut off their heads as what the barbarians did with the Indians.

So, tell me, Mr. Smith, are you trying to do that nasty trick on China now as your grandfathers did on Palestine and Israel more than half a century ago?

I say: No, thanks, Sir. But I don't need your favor.

Please forget Xinjiang or Tibet. Next time you say them, you're on my unwelcome list. Go watch some NBA games if you are hoops fan. I forget to tell you the Rockets just grabbed 19 consecutive wins. That's just hilarious.

To Wu Di:

"Answer: Occupied 1949. Colonized ever since."

Xinjiang was fully integrated into China in the Qing Dynasty under the Rule of the Great Emperor Kong Xi and his grandson Qian Long. I guess it was between the 17th century and the 18th century, well before the alliance of North America colonies get Louisiana ( admitted as the 18th state in 1812) and New Mexico(admitted as the 47th state in 1912).

The only difference is that America has since become one of the great countries which can hold its territories together. You know what happened with China. When your country was weak and bullied by others, your territories fell apart and many people claim you never even held them together. Sigh.

Anyway, I almost forget all I remembered as a high school student.

To Wu Di again, I feel you are a good guy with good intentions. China is far from being a perfect society. It has so many ridicuous problems. I can't agree with you more. But don't lose your hope. Many great countries did a lot of ridiculous things during its course of development. China is just in the process. This is your homeland and don't be ashamed of it. It's not your fault. You just work hard and take good care of your families. Things are going to be better someday. You can't build Rome in one day. If you replace Rome with China, the saying still holds.

Well done, Munir Ming. So happy to see there are still some people with logic and sense here.

Since Kong Xi and Qian Long ? Hmm... Your knowledge of Chinese history is slipping... Kong Xi and Qian Long did invaded that area, but it stayed independent until much later.

And since the Dutch holds Taiwan way before that, and before any Han presence in Taiwan, may be Taiwan is historically Dutch. I wonder why the Hans would split up Holland ?

Guangdong had been part of Vietnam for thousands of years before the Han invaded it too. Let's return that to Vietnam.

Yunnan was independent before the Han invasion. We must restore it too.

There are lots of historical territories that the Hans invaded, conquered and colonized, just like the US invading Iraq.

And is being invaded by foreigners a good enough excuse for invading others like China did ? Sounds good enough for Chinese.

Oh, as for US incorporating all these states, the latest was Hawaii. But they were all done on self determination, not forced by the US. The locals wanted it. And Philippines didn't join the US even though it was taken from Spain. And Puerto Rico chose to stay a US territory and not a state. It is self determination.

Self determination is a very good principle. I endorse it 100%. If the Chinese chose to have an authoritarian government, that's their choice. If they think rice is way more important than human rights, serve them rice.

Now, talk about how real news from China can be, read http://www.beijingnewspeak.com/2008/03/12/liberation-mystery-in-henan-and-irony-loving-foreign-ministers/ to find out how news with Chinese characteristics are actually made up.

Talking about fake news, what about what I just heard: No dog meat in Beijing restaurants for the Olympic Games.

Of course, Chinese don't eat dog meat to begin with. Only Americans do. But is there any truth in the story about the Chinese government issuing orders to shut down all restaurants serving dog meat to Americans over the Olympic Games ? That's pretty unfriendly to the Americans needing their daily fix.

@Sword, Munir Ming, et al
You are rational, educated, and smart - so I hope you continue to visit the forums and offer the more casual readers a perspective that they don't necessarily always get.

I think TIME blog is an interesting experiment. Their business model may be that the comments section actually generates more interesting discussions which then in turn is driving more users to the site.

So be it - as long some amount of users visit TIME's China blog, it then is worthwhile for the Chinese views to be expressed here.

I simply gleem through Simon's posts now only to see if there's any fact and skip his racist and vilifying snears at the Chinese society.

If the relationship between China and US continue to improve, I believe its a matter of time before the Simon types go out of fashion. TIME will replace him then.

@Wu Di
LOL. Okay, YOU may label me a "comment troll" - I know that'd help you sleep better.

But, wow, you have finally come out of your shell! lol. I was wondering when.

You said: "China is on its way to hell as we speak."

You have a crazy view! China is developing in an astounishing pace!

According to IMF, in the last 20 years, China added about $2 trillion to the global GDP, it added 120 million people in new employment, and pulled around 300 million people out of poverty.

You said: "the U.S. is in cahoots with China's party-state."

I believe the world is safere when the big countries work well with each other. You are suggesting that you actually prefer to see the US and China are in conflict.

We know you hate all forms of government - including that of China's, USA's, Russia's, - so I stood correct in labeling you part of a camp - which implies you are a very small minority.

In summary, you have an extremely skewed view on the state of things and your camp are trying to leverage one group against another in conflict. To a lot of people, that's bad, bad, bad!

@nanheyangrouchuan
You are back!

Ha, its no secret that you hate Chinese. At least you are straightforward about that. Honesty is a good thing.

The truth is China's integration into WTO makes it an official part of the worlds economic system. The linkage between China, US, EU, Japan, Russia, etc is growing stronger and stronger.

Your camp will never get enough $$$ for the general population to even hear your perspective.

Hollywood is an interesting avenue for your camp. But, the problem with Hollywood is they carry no weight with Wall Street. Also, only second rate actors/actress dying for attention might USE you as an vehicle to get some notoriety. In general, they might get a teenager excited about Richard Gear or something. Btw, where is he now?

Did I misread you?

@"huaren":

You wrote: "We'll just have to continue to ridicule your types until you give up."

Given how natural it comes to you to mis-represent other people's contributions (putting them into ideological camps or lots, and other rhetorical tricks), I hereby declare defeat: I give up.

Commenting for me is a way to engage with other people's opinions and learn something from the interaction. If they don't want to or are incapable of discourse then my efforts are futile.

In clear terms: I'm out. You win! What do you win? The "Award for Silencing Dissent from Wu Di on the Time China Blog".

China will do great without such useless critical voices. The emperors of the past, locked up in their 'forbidden city', knew how to rule their country simply by looking at the sky. Why should there be a need for today's government to listen to the voices of critical citizens? All they need is obedience and harmony.

@"huaren" ("华人"): 我希望你为你自己感到羞耻。

Just an article from RSF on how "great" China is doing... (blocked in China)

@"huaren": You are supporting and defending this in the name of a harmonious society! Shame on you.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=26193

China | 12.03.2008
Authorities getting ready to try activist Hu Jia without guarantees of fairness

Reiterating its call for the immediate and unconditional release of activist Hu Jia, Reporters Without Borders today urged the international community to keep up the pressure in order to prevent him being tried on a charge of inciting subversion of state authority.

"Everything indicates that the authorities plan to begin Hu’s trial very soon although no guarantees of fairness or transparency have been given," the press freedom organisation said. "The recent abduction of one of his friends, lawyer Teng Biao, is an especially disturbing sign. If the trial nonetheless goes ahead, diplomats and journalists must be free to attend it."

One of Hu’s lawyers, Li Fangping, was told on 7 March that the subversion charge against Hu had been registered by the Beijing prosecutor’s office. The evidence file submitted by the political police reportedly weighed more than 4 kilos. The Beijing people’s intermediate court No. 1 could begin his trial soon, one that could end with him getting a long prison sentence.

The police investigation has reportedly concentrated on articles by Hu that were posted online, especially on the overseas Chinese-run website Boxun, and some of his statements to the foreign press about the Olympic Games. "It is just a matter of time," Li Fangping said.

Hu’s other lawyer, Li Jingsong, told Radio Free Asia the trial could start this week and that the hearings could be open to the public because the authorities have not so far ruled that the case involves state secrets.

Human rights lawyer Teng Biao was released by the authorities on 8 March after being held and interrogated in complete secrecy for two days. A close friend and supporter of Hu and his wife, Zeng Jinyan, he was arrested by police on the evening of 6 March and was bundled into an official car with a bag over his dead. "This is all I can tell you for the moment, it would not be appropriate to say any more," he said.

Another lawyer, Li Heping, was attacked by public security officers at he was driving his son to school in Beijing on the morning of 7 March. The police car that had been following him from his home deliberately drove into the back of his car. As a result, he has been suffering back pains. Li, who is under permanent police surveillance, was kidnapped and beaten on 29 September, and was warned against continuing to support Hu Jia.

Thanks for the encourgement, Sword and Huaren, and the same props go to you.

I actually used to love reading TIME magzazine and the China blog here. But someday I found this blog has become increasingly anti-China and absurd. Sometimes I just couldn't help but writing something to ridicule the bloggers. My wife has tried to talk me out of this long before, but I just can't stand all those skewed views.

I have long concluded that TIME China blog is much more radical than the TIME magazine. I don't know why. I understand some expatriate journalists eventually became hostile to their host countries. I lived in Egypt for two years. Sometimes it drove me crazy to deal with locals. Has Simon shown the same syndrome?

OR it is just like what Huaren said. TIME is experimenting. Radical blog entries do attract a larger viewership and so they have better returns. But I don't think this is the way. Eventually this blog have rather polarized readers and the atomosphere gets so violent that some readers like me will not come back again.

So is this a personal problem or a corporate one?

Can we send e-mail to TIME front office and complain about what we've got here? I hope readers of this blog just have the same right like all those baskeball fans. But I don't need a ticket to view this blog.:(

To John Smith:

Kang Xi and Qian Long not only went to war against local warlords, they also set up a sepecial admistrative region there. I hope you do read Chinese history books.

As for the Dutch and Taiwan thing. That's the lamest analogy I've ever got. China has interations with Taiwan since Han dynasty and most of Taiwanese have their roots on the mainlan. The Han Dynasty. Wow, that's some 2,000 years ago. Where were the Dutchs at that time. Those so-called Dutchs were 16th century colonialists and pirates. They came half a way around the world and tried to conquer Taiwan. They made it, but they were eventually driven out into the sea by Zheng Chenggong.

So much history for you. I doubt whether you even bother to read.

As for the principle of determination, it is good with certain strains. Can you just have a vote in your family and demark a country around your house? No, you can't. Can Taiwan hold a vote for independence. No, it can't. America is against it. Japan too. Not to mention the mainland. President Chen Shuibian is going to push for a vote anyway, but I don't think it will even meet the minimum voters turnout requirement. Plus, what a lame president he has been! Sorry for you if your're from Taiwan.

My wife is urging me to go home. Sorry for all the gramatical mistakes and typos.

@John Smith
I feel shame for you, I DO hope you know how the white americans got the land from the Indians~

"Since Kong Xi and Qian Long ? Hmm... Your knowledge of Chinese history is slipping... Kong Xi and Qian Long did invaded that area, but it stayed independent until much later."
-------You know, the Han had controls of the Xi Jiang, that's 2k years ago, the people there at that time were chinese(han) partly, but no one was the so called Uighur people--the people race changed several times there, but the Muslim Uigher people is a story of no more than 500 years. If they insisted that Xi Jiang is the homeland of the Uigher people,
well, how about the people before, just disappeared suddenly?
May be erased by the Allah, mmh I suggest~

@John Smith

And since the Dutch holds Taiwan way before that, and before any Han presence in Taiwan, may be Taiwan is historically Dutch. I wonder why the Hans would split up Holland ?
---of coz, the chinese got the taiwan island even thousand of years ago, just ask the Dutch, the original island people speak Dutch or English, I suppose neither~ but I do think some of them speak chinese. ohh, I forgot, they were killed by the Taiwan DISCOVERER - the Dutch or Bitch.

Guangdong had been part of Vietnam for thousands of years before the Han invaded it too. Let's return that to Vietnam.
---2k years ago, around Shanghai, there is a kingdom called Yue;
hundreds years ago, the Han acquired Guangdong, it was so called South Yue;
but the Vietnam is just a name with the meaning where on the south of South Yue. I think even the vietnam will be shame to accept your gift.

Yunnan was independent before the Han invasion. We must restore it too.
---The Yunnan aboriginal was part of the chinese or han ancestors. Before the Han invasion? 4billion years ago?

@John Smith

And since the Dutch holds Taiwan way before that, and before any Han presence in Taiwan, may be Taiwan is historically Dutch. I wonder why the Hans would split up Holland ?
---of coz, the chinese got the taiwan island even thousand of years ago, just ask the Dutch, the original island people speak Dutch or English, I suppose neither~ but I do think some of them speak chinese. ohh, I forgot, they were killed by the Taiwan DISCOVERER - the Dutch or Bitch.

Guangdong had been part of Vietnam for thousands of years before the Han invaded it too. Let's return that to Vietnam.
---2k years ago, around Shanghai, there is a kingdom called Yue;
hundreds years ago, the Han acquired Guangdong, it was so called South Yue;
but the Vietnam is just a name with the meaning where on the south of South Yue. I think even the vietnam will be shame to accept your gift.

Yunnan was independent before the Han invasion. We must restore it too.
---The Yunnan aboriginal was part of the chinese or han ancestors. Before the Han invasion? 4billion years ago?

@Wu Di
You may have the last word!

Right on, SuSEr.

"John Smith" - international trend and logic are all against your dwindling lot.

Hey, when was the last blood pressure check?

Real Chinese are busy investing in the mainland. How about joining the trend?

hmmm, i guess that the supposed terrorism plot against heathrow airport must be fake. so far i have seen no evidence. unless 100 brits like "wu di" are blown up pieces, otherwise i am not so covinced.

why shouldn't northern ireland be independent? why not Scotland be own country? the island of malvinas is a part of argentina.

Dead_martian: Good points!

How the heck would this woman living thousands of miles away know whether it is true or untrue if she is not directly involved in the incident. The fact that she is even quoted here points at the ridiculousness of Simon Elegant and other Sinophobic journalists.