A Torch Relay Site the Chinese Can Love...

Very funny, Bill. Well to be honest, I would really love to see the messy, chaotic scenes in every relay site. The messier, the better. You know why? In just a month, from March 14 to now, the western media and of course the disruption that happened in London, Paris, and other relay cities have unprecedentedly united the Chinese all across the world, which is something the CCP would never be able to do in a thousand years. Bravo!! Keep doing it. More negative news over China, more criticism about CCP, more protests along the relay route, more attacks on the disabled, and more jokes for the west to enjoy. Yet in the end, will CCP get hurt by any of these? Will CCP change anything? What is more, it may be the CCP that laughs till the end.
Don't tell me I am nationalistic or brainwashed. I have known it for 25 years. I will not argue with you over it again and again as it is useless since anyone in favor of China is being indiscriminately labeled as such. If you think I am nationalistic, then I am. And brainwashed too!

Now that the torch run is almost reaching the final lap, the outcome of the disruption in Western countries is in exact opposite from the rest of the world. It tells us of a new development; the West particularly US, UK, France and Germany are odd countries that are not sync with the rest of the world. The world except the decaying West, has no problem with China. We are back in the cold war with the West on one side, against the rest of the world. Keep that in mind.

er...what should i say abt this...

No, Sir, I was not a nationalist and I'm not expecting the day when the torch arrives in North Korea. I follow the relay, but not interested in a particular leg of it.

Here again, you chose to misinterprete the intentions of the Chinese people. You try to mock the the special relations between China and North Korea. But I see nothing humorous there, just bitter grudges against either China or North Korea, or both.

Given the fact that I gave you praise for being moderate, especially compared to Mr. little scrappy Simon Elegant. This post somehow disappointed me a little.

Come back to the torch relay, besides chaotic scenes in London, Paris and San Francisco, the torch relay has been largely joyful. Should I remind you again that UK, France and USA can't represent the world as they think they can?Agentina does want to join your noisy anti-China campaign, neither do Tanzania, Aman, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Malaysia...

Are you going to blame China for that?

The Olympics is still Olympics. You can't turn it into a political anti-China campagain just because it is to be held in Beijing. You can't dismiss all ordinary Chinese citizens as nationlistic just because they fight back as equal counterparts.

somehow I feel it's a bit out of place...to be written by Bill???

I do feel that it disappoints me a little...what is the sarcasm abt? I like Simon and Bill's essays and and blog entries and ... it feels strange...

To: Bill Powell

The Chinese Olympic Torch will be in its true home in North Korea. Sure Kim will take good care of it, which is ''ineeevvitble'', innnnevviitable'' (Team America)

Perhaps the torch relay should only have been held in China, North Korea, Burma, Turkmenisthan, Zimbabwe, Sudan and Congo. It could be called the 'rouge countries relay'.

They are all countries where Chinese govt advisors are helping the govts with new & innovate ways of controlling their people, repressing human rights and cracking down on minorities.

Sure the rouge countries relay would show the Chinese people how peacful and welcoming the torch relay was and how much the whole world just loves China.

to xingqiang :
I registed in this website only 1 day and decided not to stay here longer ;and decided not argue with the clown and directors(i call them) any more.

Before that,I really want to persuade chinese people not come here often .
Let some "westen people"ENJOY THEMSELVES.(sorry,not mean all the european and American,just mantion to those extremely anti-China,and people who only trust westen media like CNN). With more Chinese readers, such media can more easily to cheat readers and viewers and disguised to be the judger of the world.
Some American people come my hometown in China ,and always said IT IS TOTALLY NOT LIKE THE WESTEN MEDIA SAID.By contrary, more Chinese people visited westen countries recent years,felt disappointed at the "FREE WORLD".
With more westen people visiting China,shock and impression will be raised by difference betweeen they see and they were told.Is it more effectively than we argue with them here?

To these extream anti-China,I keep silent here.Some of them knows China well,then why we argue with them in their homepage? They can omit any stuff support us ,and put an anti-China joke as the news to enjoy themselves and the "friendly readers". OK,let them enjoy it.

I would recommend all Chinese to read these websites. They did what the CCP desperately tried to do. West media have done a terrific job to educate a whole new generation of Chinese. Mao can die in peace now.

glib

I would recommend westerners who want CCP gone, go to China, talk to the Chinese people, try to understand their culture. Don't use the stupid slave owner Daliar Lama who try to split their motherland. Find a way that the general Chinese public can understand. Idiot!!

one thing i find funny. unlike in china where the media heavily censors and restricts the media, there's no such thing as a monolithic "western media". In the "west" (plus Japan, India, and other countries) where we have freedom of speech, strangely all the media outlets seem to almost universally contradict chinese media reports. So there are 2 possibilities

1) the "western media" is actually secretly controlled by a monolithic entity or entities with an anti-chinese agenda, which systematically and unanimimously chooses to portray the chinese "unfairly"--despite the potential financial gain of getting their own niche reporting angle if another one truly existed, and distinguishing itself from other media outlets.

Despite the chinese government's hold on the chinese media, and its strict regulation of internet, TV, Radio, print media which severly restricts what can be seen by the chinese people regarding a plethora of issues, they tell the truth.

2) the chinese state controlled and heavily censored media outlets lie. Countries with the freedom of speech have media outlets which tell the truth.

Which seems more likely?

Are any Chinese here feeling fatigue of "Free Tibet and Bash China"? I say, stop wasting time. China own Tibet now, period. Anyone wants "liberate" Tibet, bring it on.

I am not excited about N. Korea leg at all. Though it was quite shocking to see the antics of "Free Tibet", now I can't wait for more. Ten thousands Chinese will ascend to Australia leg, and too bad I can't join the fun and maybe get my hands on some Tibetan or Tibetphilian thugs.

wow... that was very... snide...

Tibetan "thugs"? I guess "hypocrite" (whose name is ironically apt) either lives behind the great firewall or closes his eyes to human rights abuses of China in Tibet. While it seems true that Tibetan mobs attacked chinese owned businesses in Tibet, it is also true that China locked down on dissent from the Tibetan monks who try to demonstrate peacefully (note the dozen Tibetan monks who managed to penetrate a security wall in Tibet and tell western reporters--who were free to report this unlike their chinese counterparts--that they are kept under surveillance and guard, and those who disobey are killed or brutally suppressed) as well as are actively working to destroy Tibetan culture and religion. Its shameful. Lastly, the biggest concerns for many protesetors isn't even ABOUT Tibetan independence, but human rights abuses in tibet. I think most activists recognize that its impossible in the foreseeable future to get China to vacate Tibet--but certainly China could allow religious and political freedom in Tibet, as well as self determination as required under international law, its own constitution, and its treaty commitments.

Thank heavens I live in the Free World then.

Praise Neo-conservative media and pass the ICBMs!

Yours truly,
So-Called Chinese Nationalist.

London
(Western Bloc)

I think I finally figured out why all these protests, anti-protests, boycotts, and even bodily attack on Chinese like Grace and Jing by fellow Chinese: Medal Grab at the Olympics.

Someone in China must doubt the ability of China getting the majority of medals in the up coming Games. That's when the plan (or plot) was hatched. Looking back at the last major medal grab - the 1980 Olympic Games, and the idea was born. The plan to ensure as many foreign athletes absent from the games was put in place, starting with bribing the western media to put on biased news against China, and to build as many factories around Beijing to ensure no one with the wrong health would consider going to the games. When everything is working, the Chinese people are called to defend the Republic, to ensure foreigners, especially first time China visitors, will not feel comfortable to be around China.

There are fringe economic benefits to this plan as well. China would like to cool down its economy. What better way to cool it down to eliminate all foreign tourists ? By not making foreign luxury goods available to Chinese ideologically, you cut down a lot of unnecessary expenditure as well, and hence a cooled down economy. Next is the stock market. Making the Shanghai market falling by 50% is a great way to ward away any hot money too.

So, all is about money and medals - M&M - Yum.

"I say, stop wasting time. China own Tibet now, period."

Bush thank you for your support of occupation of Iraq. Finally someone supports the "We Own It Now, Period." argument.

India: Stop the talk with China about the disputed territories in Himalayas. China has conceited whatever you occupied now.

Russia: Enjoy the territories you grab from China. China has officially given up on it.

Japan: Diaoyutai is yours, forever.

Philippines: rest assured that China will not come after the islands in the South China Sea that you grabbed. Enjoy.

Vietnam: The oil rich island and areas in South China sea you want, and occupied ? Have fun with it, thanks to China's change in policy.

Republic of China: You owned Taiwan since 1945. It is now yours. All yours. Done. China has given up. And as a foreign country, you can buy weapons from anybody now. Who are you going to send to China as your first Ambassador ?

remosu37

Daliar Lama and those noble followers have no right to represent the general public of Tibetan people.

And those Lamas(I would not call them monks.) from temples historically controlled by Daliar Lama have no right to represent the general public of Tibetan people.

If you are so concerned about human right, why don't you protest the Chinese government allowing the young boys to become Lama at very young age. What do you think American will do if this happens in US? Do they deserve similar educations as other kids in American have and let's those kids to make decisions on their own to become a Lama? Just protest the Chinese government why they don't enforce the law to give those young Tibetan kids right to have fair education. I would like to see these kind of "Free Tibet" movement.

Yes, I have been in Tibet and lived there long enough to know what happened there. Don't take advantage of these religious Tibetan people because of their religion for your own agenda. They don't deserve these.

jeff

the issue of whether or not the Dalai Lama should or should not represent Tibet is a completely separate issue from whether or not China should be criticized for its abuses in Tibet. One major issue is the problem of self determination. Arguendo, even if one cedes the arguement that Tibet is a part of historical china and china's right to occupy Tibet is legitimate, international law guarantees the right to self determination. The Tibetan people are not legally represented in the CCP government by any stretch of the imagnation. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is universally applicable customary international law which by being part of the UN China promised to uphold, guarantees religious freedom and the freedom of expression--neither of which exists in Tibet. Peaceful demonstrations are impossible in Tibet.

John Smith

Do you have a job? Your master pay you for posting here? Does your angry mood affect your meditation to open your third eye? Does your angry mood affect the way your Fa-wheel spin in your stomach? Be cool. Calm down. Open your mind to have some discussion here. Your third eye will never open before you open your mind.

shanshichao
I think different people have different ideas!so don't put ur opinions over others!the Chinese love their country,'cos we have the largest population in the world,so there must be someone who do wrong things to their country,however,our life become better and better,so we hold an opinion firmly that we can be the strongest country in the world!

we wanna make friends with all people who are friedly around the world!
my blog is:
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shanshichao
I think different people have different ideas!so don't put ur opinions over others!the Chinese love their country,'cos we have the largest population in the world,so there must be someone who do wrong things to their country,however,our life become better and better,so we hold an opinion firmly that we can be the strongest country in the world!
http://blog.sina.com.cn/shanshichao

Do you and Simon toss a coin to see who gets to write the anti-China troll post each week?

remosu37

The only human right issue there from my observation is: many tibetan family send their sons at very young age to become Lamas. Those young kids are deprived of the right of education.

There are many reason why Tibetan put their under aged sons there.

1). their religious believe.
2). all Lamas are paid and subsidized by the Chinese government. They don't have to see their sons to struggle to make a living.

(In the pre-1959 time, Families are required by old laws to send one of their sons. If not, punishment is very harsh.).

Why Daliar Lama are saying this olympic year is their last chance?

1). Tibetan area are developing very fast. Tibetan people have much better life and more oppertunity. Their sons don't have to be a Lama to make a decent life.
2). Tibetan are learning more from outside world. THey are still religious, they start to accept more modern view of religion. They want their son to have a normal education. And these young tibetan have all the right to choose to become a Lama.
3) as a result, less young tibetans are interested to become a Lama.

my blog is: http://teribidwell.blogspot.com

Such a weird topic... Does Bill know how many Chinese don't like the weirdo in North Korea?
If there is no topic, how about stop blogging for a day? Will that cut into some sort of bottom line?

Doesn't Bill's "Torch of China" says it all? That's how the "West" see it. The heck with Olympic spirit.

For those "Free Tibet" crowd, many of them, deep down, probably know there is zero chance that Tibet could become an independent country, ever. When had Chins yielded to outside pressure for anything since 1949? Clearly there is one thing left to do and that is to humiliate China. Don't just kid yourself and say the only target is CCP or the government or this is good for the Chinese people. That is just as "non violent" as the claims by TYC speaker.

What's happening is doing the government a huge favor. That "side effect" might be too hard for you guys to grasp.

Good piece of work!
Every Western journalist knows China is among the Axis of Evils.

One day I'll learn to trackback..

Go Go Western Media!

http://fasterthaninstantnoodles.blogspot.com/2008/04/chinas-political-unconscious-minus.html

Hey guys, dont you know:

Just to clear things once and for all -

The whole world (except the Chinese Hans) knows that Tibet is not part of Communist China.

Tibet is under military occupation, just like Iraq.

Which world do you Hans live in? You guys sound almost comical.

Gosh!! Just open your mind to see beyond the iron curtain.

Let Tibet no longer a discussion point anymore because we all know it is not part of China.

I am pro China because I believe the greatness of China will show when:

1) They kick the neo-red guards goons and thugs out

2) Improve human rights

3) A system of Aparthied in Tibet is abolished - Chinese there get prefrence in terms of subsidies, tax rebates, easier to get business licences etc. Racism against Tibeteans needs to be wiped out.

4) Negotiate a peaceful and mutally beneficial settlement with His Holiness. The current situation of keeping Tibeteans under the boot in Tibet and having a million Tibeteans as refugees all over al the world is unethical, cruel and unworkable in the long run.

Since I stand for these points, I am pro-China - pro the people of China who have been deceived by their communist masters of free thinking, freedom and choice. Money is not everything, basic human rights are much worse, something that is denied to most Chinese.

The exceptions of this brutal treatment are experienced by the overseas Hans, CCP members & family, middle class & upwards city dwellers, and hence such people would oppose my views, esp the overseas Hans who in addition not experiencing this brutality also feel home sick.

Gosh!!
At least billions of human being on earth know Tibet is now part of China.
Just wake up!
or Dear ASingh you can start a guerrilla war against China like lots of Arab freedom fighters…

Old prejudices die hard. Thanks to Bill and Asingh,there is no surprise that the world is far from reaching a "win-win". Why not learn something such as "game theory".

ASingh

Are there still practices in India to burn their newly wed wifes if they don't bring enough money with them? I am just curious. It must be rumors from Chinese state media and American's biased media. How could Indian people be so cruel to burn a human been alive, especially those young beautiful young girls? Are these people from your cast or a different cast? It is interesting to know since we are all human being. We all have a caring heart. BTW Chinese people will thank you very much for your support of their human right.

ASingh

Is it true that the British Queen is still the head of India? or it is just symbolic? The old master is hard to go away. I might be wrong. India people would like to keep QUEEN MASTER or it is just difficult to get rid of her majesty?

To Asingh
If Tibet is not part of China, it never be a domain of Dalailama.
My relative who works in Tibet and also is a witness told me that before the rebellion the Tibetan do live a peaceful life and most of them are satisfied with the status quo.At least, there is NO THREAT to their lives!!!!
Although always being labeled as a evil and brutal racilist, our government do show a unprecedented continience and restraint when facing the well-fited muggers.Our polices stood still when muggers pouring water on them and intending to frozen them at night.
Dalailama has already lost its root in Tibet.He is in such a dilemma that he edited and played a farce.
Who knows the happyniss of the Tibetan? We know much better than you.

"the Chinese love their country,'cos we have the largest population in the world"

Wow, great logic, feel sorry for the the Swedes and the Norwegians.

You can love your country, does not mean you have to blindly support your government. Let your own brain do the thinking for you.

This is the beauty of democracy: if you don't agree with the Bush government, don't worry, he'll be gone.

If you are Chinese and don't agree with the chinese government, you'll be gone.

It is obvious on the issue of Tibet; the majority of Chinese support CCP government. So they will stay which is sad.

dragonseed4

You confused me.

Why Bush will be gone. I love Bush. He is a very sincere guy. He had a vision for American in Iraq(for the interest of American). But people working for him screwed things up. They don't have good strategists (They should hire a Chinese strategist). He is responsible but I don't blame him.

Why did you say Chinese government should be gone instead of its president? The Chinese government exists for several thousands years. There are already several terms of Chinese presidents. Am I right?

To dragonseed4:

In China, many people are mad at their government for many reasons, such as the serious corruption and bureaucracy. Every day on the on-line forums of Chinese websites, I can see a lot of posts (or comments of some posts) criticizing government on issues from its population policies to the lack of democracy in its administration. HOWEVER, every Chinese shares the same stance on the issues about Tibet.
We are REASONABLE and REALISTIC. "brainwahed" is just something, which some westerns take as a irresponsible accusation.

It is definitely unexpected and satisfying to see the Olympic torch unite all Chinese.

But this unification must not be taken blindly. Just like another major terrorist attack on the U.S. could destroy the democracy as we know it in the U.S., constant ideological attacks by the West could make China too unified and become too homogeneous.

Despite the Western attacks, Chinese should still examine where policies have failed and critically analyze their vision for the future.

If there is a problem with minorities, the Chinese family need to critically examine it and deal with it. A unified Chinese is great. But the unification should not be an excuse for destroying the the proud multi-cultural, multi-ethnic society that has always been China.

jeff, totally agree with you on Bush being a sincere guy. Here is my hope that his Iraq policy gets carried through. It will be a disaster not just for America, but for the whole world if Americans leave there with the job unfinished.

No back to this blog. Oh well, I guess you can call it progress. At least China now is being tied to North Korea instead of Nazi Germany.

Mae:

Can you please elaborate on your "game theory" analogy and how it applies to rights violations and military occupation of Tibet?

Really interested to know as I have done a lot of work on game theory.

Correction: meant to say "now back to this blog".

jeff

You seem a like a really funny guy with your comments. I think you might get the job of a stand up comedian.

You do have a sense of humour.

ASingh - what kind work? Playing the x-box?

Allen Yu

Work - academic work at university and also on my job.

Just to let you know Allen, game theory is the science of strategy. It attempts to determine mathematically and logically the actions that "players" should take to secure the best outcomes for themselves in a wide array of "games.". The principles of game theory also find applications to complicated games real-world problems as diverse as economics, property division, politics, warfare and business strategy.

Hope it helps - any questions, please dont hesitate to ask.

ASingh - could I please have a list of your publications? A person of your intellect and stature must have many that can be shared with us.

ASingh - could I please have a list of your publications? A person of your intellect and stature must have many that can be shared with us.

Bookevil

"every Chinese shares the same stance on the issues about Tibet."

I doubt that very much.

First of all, maybe you should qualify by saying every Han Chinese.

Second, given the current nationalistic fervor, would you dare to disagree with the official line on Tibet? Unless you want feces dumped in front of your door. Great lessons from the cultural revolution, by the way. So much for the argument for not bringing up the past, ie cultural revolution, Tiananmen etc.

Third, did any "Chinese" bother to ask the Tibetans how they feel on the issue? Would you get an honest answer? Remember,those that tried to speak with their feet were getting shot at.

To 1world

I agree. Iraq war has to be carried out with American stablizing that area. I live in US and I see and share the vision of Bush in iraq. But I also see the lack of strategy there. The strategists of American are blinded by their strong military power. It is not Bush's fault. You can't ask a elected official to know all those implementation of a war. It is up to the military staff and national security staff to implement them. Military power is key to win a battle. I am not sure it is the key to win a war like Iraq war. I believe political strategy is the key.

dragonseed4 - very good. Using prejudice and ignorance to create a storyline...

The Olympic thing is uniting Chinese no doubt. But, in the long run this may not be good for China because it strengthens the communist party leadership and slows down the political reform process. In a sense, the aftermath of the 1989 incident is being repeated. One major difference is that, back in 1989 we followed western media for news and directions. Voice of America and BBC used to be the only channels I listened to. But this time around, we turned against them. The Chinese now feel the west simply want to put China down.

I hope China can tune out the noise and stay her course on the reform. As the old generation of communist hard liners dying out, political reform is bound to happen. Actually the overall environment is already much more open than it's ever been. But, it is still a monumental challenge to fundamentally transform a totalitarian single party system into a democratic system. The difficulty is how to do it peacefully. China definitely does not want to follow the foot steps of the Soviet Union. For good examples, they should look no further than the other side of the Taiwan Straight. Taiwan successfully changed from a single party dictatorship to a complete democratic system in less than 10 years without bloodshed. They started out by legalizing other political parties, then adopted the voting system. China, with the same culture and a similar political system, should be able to accomplish a peaceful transition as well.

As for hosting the Olympic games, China should not try things like this again, not until she becomes a true super power like America. Until then, Chinese should just shut up and work their way up quietly. The money spent on the games could've been better used on things like schools and environment protection.

I have to admit Bill, even as somebody who likes to have a good (well deserved) rip on China once and a while that was in rather poor taste. Surely there must be something more... newsworthy?

To dragonseed4

I spent a year in Tibet sent by "beloved" Chinese government in exchange for a favor of promotion more than 10 years ago.

The real situation there is very complicated for anyone to grasp for those who never been there. Are there human right issues there? Yes. But I am afraid it is not in the favor of "free tibet" folks. As my previous comments here, there are general conflicts between secular modern life and Monastery. There are laws requiring all kids to go to school for education. But in the name of religion protection policy, the government keep a blind eye on the law. Poor families, which are also the more religious, send their young under-age boys to the Monastery to be a Lama, who are paid and subsidized by government. It is a heart breaking scene to see those young boy who are deprived of their right to get normal education. THose young Lamas only receive Budisim teaching. If those Lamas are in Monastery historically controlled by Daliar Lama, they will recognize him as GOD. Religious people may consider this as pure. But I don't. Anytime Daliar Lama have anything to say, these Lamas will do anything to obey his call. Lamas are different from Monks. Remember those history novels (written hundreds year ago, not by commies), Monastery have their own army formed by Lamas. They do kill. The government has a very hard time to deal with those Lamas. The general public also consider Daliar living butha. The religious well hearted general Tibetans public are caught in between. They believe living butha, who happened to be the 14th Daliar. They also want to have economical development and live a modern decent life as their Han and Hui brothers who living together with them for the time they can remember. Economical development means education. And less and less tibetan boys would like to be a Lamas, instead they go to education system. Here comes the conflicts. Daliar call this as culture genocide. The general tibetan people really don't know what to say. You may call it anything based on your positions. I just hope Tibetan well. And Tibet belong to China. No one can just come and get it. This is my take.

Agreed - Petro. Bill stoops to a new low here (but he's excused, since at least one other colleague of his has stooped even lower).

Jeff - this reminds me a lot of the creationist debate here in the U.S. Many really believe the secular education curriculum taught in schools is a violation of their religion. The difference here is that there is no other superpower outside the U.S. to distort that debate and nurture a "Free Oklahoma" movement (sorry Oklahomans, just arbitrarily picked on Oklahoma) .

Allen Yu

You hit the point. I really don't like Daliar. He is taking advantage of those good Tibetans. And those super powers are playing Daliar as a card for their own interests. I really wish there are indeed Butha watching over those Tibetans. Not by those Bastxxd.

[The ROC does not own Taiwan. Taiwan owns Taiwan. Since none of the big countries have enough guts to stand up to China on Taiwan's de jure independence, there's also no point in talking about "official names" or whatever.]

And if you lot can't see the point that Mr. Powell is making, you can go on fuming. No loss.

Susan - Powell's point is taken. So is yours.

By the way - where do you live in Taiwan? I just got back a few weeks ago from Taiwan having voted...

@ASingh

LOL, you are such a slut. I've decided to waste 30 minutes and read your comments over the last few blog entries in this China blog.

1. You are freaking 26 years old - doing "strategic" consulting. Btw, that title is for what I would call propaganda slut for hire - I hire from time to time when I need more wood behind the arrow and when I need to have some pretty slides. You ever heard of Board of Directors? They provide the real strategic consulting. Grow up kid - we get our 25 year-olds to mentor the 22 year-olds so they can learn to grow up.

2. As a "Munir Ming" explained to you - you are not getting the Chinese to side with your perspective.

3. Again, kid, you blab way too much. Learn to shut up and listen. That's a true skill. Do you actually work?

4. You said some lame stuff about wearing a tibetan separatist shirt and "confronting" some Chinese in London because you are physically bigger? I am a Chinese old man and I promise you I can break your arm in 20 seconds. You pick left or right.

5. You frequently cited 1.2 million Tibetan deaths - even Patrick French argued against that. The Dalai Lama's archives in Dahmsala speak nothing of it.

Okay, kid, defend yourself and you can have the last word on me.

Posted by dragonseed4 | April 23, 2008 4:10 PM

Absolutely agree with you.

Han Chinese choose not to listen to Tibeteans, thus demonstrating they are Han Chauvinists. This is what Han chauvinism is all about.

Han chauvinists carry ethnocentric viewpoints that favor the Han Chinese majority ethnic group in China at the expense of the other minority ethnic groups, often under the assumption of cultural or racial superiority. Han chauvinists in China construct enemies of Manchus, Mongols, Uigurs, Tibeteans and members of the Han nationality that oppose a monolithic view of the nationality. It emphasizes nostalgia in expansionary exploits by Chinese dynasties identified with the Han nationality.

Han Chinese as a people are arrogant and ignorant nationalists who fail to respect Tibetan culture and other ethnic cultures - which is not groundless, and is consistent with CCP propaganda from Mao days till now to represent Chinese mind.

For example in 1950s to 1970s, all things “foreign” and at such of “capitalist” influence as accumulated scientific knowledge and classical music, Tibetan language and native dress (including the distinctive hairstyle) were proscribed. Much of what had been at the core of Tibetan “culture”—monasteries, religious artifacts and texts were simply smashed up and destroyed, although with the appreciable side effect of driving monks into actual labor.

Moreover today, the “market reforms” initiated under Deng have increased Han privilege, as well as the distaste of most Tibetans for their occupiers. The growing presence of the PLA, with its relatively well-paid officers and soldiers and their families and its prominent role in business ventures (geared in Tibet primarily to tourism), has also led to an infusion of ethnic Han entrepreneurs employing Han workers. There is a clear system of aparthied in Tibet, with Hans living in isloation from local Tibeteans in all posh places.

Han chauvinism is widely accepted and enjoyed by most Hans as they are beneficiaries of this Imperialistic opression at the expense of colonised Uigurs and Tibeteans.

ASingh

AS far as I can remember, the PLA in Tibet were there before 1962. Remember in 1962, PLA have to catch a lot of Indian soldiers, then feed them, then send them home? Although it is a lossy job, they still have to be there. Right?

Posted by dragonseed4 | April 23, 2008 4:10 PM

Absolutely agree with you.

Han Chinese choose not to listen to Tibeteans, thus demonstrating they are Han Chauvinists. This is what Han chauvinism is all about.

Han chauvinists carry ethnocentric viewpoints that favor the Han Chinese majority ethnic group in China at the expense of the other minority ethnic groups, often under the assumption of cultural or racial superiority. Han chauvinists in China construct enemies of Manchus, Mongols, Uigurs, Tibeteans and members of the Han nationality that oppose a monolithic view of the nationality. It emphasizes nostalgia in expansionary exploits by Chinese dynasties identified with the Han nationality.

Han Chinese as a people are arrogant and ignorant nationalists who fail to respect Tibetan culture and other ethnic cultures - which is not groundless, and is consistent with CCP propaganda from Mao days till now to represent Chinese mind.

For example in 1950s to 1970s, all things “foreign” and at such of “capitalist” influence as accumulated scientific knowledge and classical music, Tibetan language and native dress (including the distinctive hairstyle) were proscribed. Much of what had been at the core of Tibetan “culture”—monasteries, religious artifacts and texts were simply smashed up and destroyed, although with the appreciable side effect of driving monks into actual labor.

Moreover today, the “market reforms” initiated under Deng have increased Han privilege, as well as the distaste of most Tibetans for their occupiers. The growing presence of the PLA, with its relatively well-paid officers and soldiers and their families and its prominent role in business ventures (geared in Tibet primarily to tourism), has also led to an infusion of ethnic Han entrepreneurs employing Han workers. There is a clear system of aparthied in Tibet, with Hans living in isloation from local Tibeteans in all posh places.

Han chauvinism is widely accepted and enjoyed by most Hans as they are beneficiaries of this Imperialistic opression at the expense of colonised Uigurs and Tibeteans.

huaren - forget about ASingh - he claims he is a professor at game theory but is unwilling to share any of his published work. Maybe he teaches game theory at kindergarten... where you don't need to publish.

Asingh,

We Chinese need people like you to keep us altert and be cautious to Western neo-imperialism and conspiracy, which are always configured as "human rights" and "universal morality". Seriously, we need something to unite us together, no matter it is Chauvinism or nationalism.

But these terms are abstract. Your words make it tangible and concrete. We then can develop an explicit understanding of what China is, what our responsibilities and political stance are. Further, we take strategies to implement cultural genocide to Tibetans, as 200 years ago, the West did to us, to make China a truly homogeneous entity. Han people have the patience as they always had in the past 5 thousand years.

Keep barking, we need you as much as oxygen to remind us our Chineseness. The trick of us is to wrestle with difficulties and enemies. We endure, therefore we are.

I appreciate your endeavor.

Every Chinese:

Please check out the British-American conspiracy against China:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rut-tXh_TEI&feature=related

Allen -

I no longer live in Taiwan, but I used to live in a small town close to Tainan.

Before you go "aha!", allow me to point out that my father's side of the family is Chinese.

Susan - and your mother's side? (I've got mongol, tibetan, han, and japanese - but I am predominantly han (over 50%))

My mother's side were farmers up to her parents' generation, and they've been in Taiwan for a really long time, so I don't know about ethnicities there.

Dalai Lama in NY Colgate University:
"Two groups the protested the Dalai Lama's outside the fieldhouse – one a large contingent from an offshoot Tibetan monk sect, and the other a small group of pro-Chinese supporters.
Members of the Western Shugden Society, chanting "Dalai Lama, stop lying," are critical of the Dalai Lama for banning them from practicing their own version of Buddhism, the Dorje Shugden.
"The Dalai Lama is a hypocrite. He is persecuting his own people," said Kelsang Pema, a spokeswoman for the group."
People will find out the real Dalai Lama.

Allow me, to quote this poem published on Washington post, for the hypocrites around the world,

A Poem => Published by the Washington Post

When we were the Sick Man of Asia, We were called The Yellow Peril.

When we are billed to be the next Superpower, we are called The Threat.

When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.

When we embrace Free Trade, You blame us for taking away your jobs.

When we were falling apart, You marched in your troops and wanted your
fair share.

When we tried to put the broken pieces back together again, Free Tibet
you screamed, It Was an Invasion!

When tried Communism, you hated us for being Communist.

When we embrace Capitalism, you hate us for being Capitalist.

When we have a billion people, you said we were destroying the planet.

When we tried limiting our numbers, you said we abused human rights.

When we were poor, you thought we were dogs.

When we loan you cash, you blame us for your national debts.

When we build our industries, you call us Polluters.

When we sell you goods, you blame us for global warming.

When we buy oil, you call it exploitation and genocide.

When you go to war for oil, you call it liberation.

When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you demanded rules of law.

When we uphold law and order against violence, you call it violating
human rights.

When we were silent, you said you wanted us to have free speech.

When we are silent no more, you say we are brainwashedxenophobics.

Why do you hate us so much, we asked. No, you answered, we don't hate you.

We don't hate you either, But, do you understand us? Of course we do, you
said, We have AFP, CNN and BBC's...

What do you really want from us? Think hard first, then answer...

Because you only get so many chances.

Enough is Enough, Enough Hypocrisy for This One World.

We want One World, One Dream, and Peace on Earth.

This Big Blue Earth is Big Enough for all of Us.

************************************
Duo-Liang Lin, Ph. D.
Professor Emeritus of Physics
University at Buffalo
State University of New York

To dragonseed4 and ASingh:

“First of all, maybe you should qualify by saying every Han Chinese.”
You know what I feel, when I saw what you two said above? I feel sorry…FOR YOU. Today is just not a day for you. Why? I am here, and I AM NOT A HAN CHINESE. I am Manchurian Chinese. My ancestors committed one of the worst anti-human massacres in history by killing millions of Han Chinese during the war, which was started by Manchu to conquer the whole China. Even given such background, I am not treated unfairly by any Han Chinese at all. Instead, ethnic minority Chinese people, like we Manchus and Tibetans, are treated all the way better than the majority Han Chinese. It specifically means, as minority people, we are much more easily promoted in government and admitted by college with lower grades. Plus, we minority Chinese are not restricted by the “one-child” policy. I feel so ridiculous that some westerns are even trying to make Chinese government look bad by lying that it treats minority Chinese as second-class citizens.

“Second, given the current nationalistic fervor, would you dare to disagree with the official line on Tibet? Unless you want feces dumped in front of your door. Great lessons from the cultural revolution, by the way. So much for the argument for not bringing up the past, ie cultural revolution, Tiananmen etc.”
You have a really weird logic. Why would I disagree with the official line on Tibet? Just because you wish that happen? Let me repeat that one more time: every Chinese shares the same stance with the official line on the issues about Tibet. I do not know what you are trying to say by mentioning the Cultural Revolution, it just proves one thing that your mind on China is still stuck in the passed dark and extremely crazy time. Remember time is changing, just like what I said above: on-line posts criticizing government are very common in China now.

“Third, did any "Chinese" bother to ask the Tibetans how they feel on the issue? Would you get an honest answer? Remember,those that tried to speak with their feet were getting shot at.”
You know what? You are too late to question this. Even CNN had to admit that there were Tibetans seriously opposed the violence and Tibet Dependence. In one of the CNN recent reports, it reported that the Tibetan Lamas of a temple in Yunnan Province told the CNN journalist that they identified themselves as both Tibetan and Chinese, and they would just pray for peace in Lhasa.

shanshichao:
No matter what u say,we're not blind,the blind man is you!
you really donn't know China,have u been to China before?have u been to Tibet before?what u can do is just waiting in front of the American media and hear what others say!then others effect u,and u have ur so-called opinions about China,can u explain why China improve the level of people's life a lot just during these recent years?u don't know!different countries have different systems!if u wanna look the Beijing Olympic with political eyes,u r totally wrong!if u r really want to be like this,u r not the enemy to the whole Chinese,u r the enemy to the whole world!
We are friendly actually,and u have no right to intervene our lives,u have no right to intervene our action,u have no right to be just say the unreal things here without go to China to see what is the real thing!
Pls don't be blind,or u r no funny at all!someone say China threaten other countries,i totally cannot agree with that!u don't know Chinese,think about it easyly,wo have more that 2000 years history,we know what we do...maybe effect others a lot,we know we should look before leap,we think for others,we help others,we can overcome the difficulties together,and most important,we are friendly to the world,and there are a lot countries supporting us!
So this is not a problem in China,we can calm down,and we will hold an excellent Olympic Games!

As the dimly lite torch of communist 'freedom???' enters its final leg in the free world, It will be a lovely day for a protest tomorrow and another nail in the coffin of chinese hopes of becoming anything more than the proverbial paper tiger when it comes to diplomacy.

You hans have been the pets of every race you have rubbed shoulders with. I'm so happy that you have found a national identity, but your government will have to admit to human rights abuse one day soon.

You have only yourself to blame for radical western media and have become less than human on the blue planet, from now on i will refuse to capitalize c and h when writing about your pathological action on innocent Tibetans and your lack of resolve to fix Tibet.

You appear on the map of the world as young nation only middle age and your government is the only true indicator of history that makes any sense. The fact that its acting like a 3yr old makes less sense to me.

I can understand you've been kicked around so much in the past and fearful of outsiders, and your customs have been mocked. It could be there may be a part of your old culture bottled up for 5000 yrs that somewhere in the last 50 yrs lost his name tag.

If you believe in reincarnation Tibet is much older and wiser. You should treat them like your elders.
Tibet could become a Swiss Alps retreat of for worn out hans if you played your card right.

people here tends to believe that it is only the western world that pressures chinese society on this tibet issue. but..

it is also the same reaction in elsewhere such as other northeast asia(korea japan), southeast asia(except for singapore, the city of the hans), south asia (india etc.).. or any other area where democracy stands.

i'm sure it'll be safe once it enters north korea.. but it has to safely go through PanMoonJum before you'll know that it'll arrive in beijing. even in beijing, there are minorities (whom the hans discriminate)

chauvinists tend to think in black/white. but situation are never that way. it's not china vs. the west.
it is china vs the rest of the civilized world

It is always the same bunch of white racists. Their opinions are so predictable to be brainless.

Argument is not useful as those bunch have made up their minds. They are incapable of seeing their own ignorance and prejudice.

I do not think Chinese should be silent in the face of those racists either. We will need to make our voice known. The recent demonstrations are good indication that large swath of Chinese are wakig up to the fact that western media is dominated by those racists. That is the silver lining of the torch journey. Part of me is really happy for this result.

I do not think Chinese should over-react to this either. Those racists are always going to be racists, and they have been so in the last decades. They are acting more egregiously now because of the rise of China. So the best thing Chinese can do is to keep up the good work as in the last few decades, build up military in case those bastards resort to military invasion (they will call that liberation for sure), and ignore those racists.

kev, can the whole world be wrong?

To kev,
"i'm sure it'll be safe once it enters north korea.. but it has to safely go through PanMoonJum before you'll know that it'll arrive in beijing. even in beijing, there are minorities (whom the hans discriminate)"

You are just blind, aren't you? Do you really know what we were talking above. One more time, as a minority Chinese, I can tell you all here that the ethic minority Chinese are not discriminated. I just learn this so many people in this world just enjoy being blind.

To Compassionate pig:

The world is fine. It is the people like you would like to learn it in a wrong way, which somehow you enjoy.

Truth hurts and fire lies, but for a pathological liar like bookeveil blind is not blind in the dark.

I can't help with this. LOL

Blame the Chinese Series, Episode

It is a major crisis, but no, I am not talking about the gas prices. I am talking about the price of rice, the staple food for half the world, has doubled over the past year.

I am glad to notice that Angela Merkel, German Chancellor, took some interests in this crisis. She insisted that the rising food prices have nothing to do with biofuels, and added “millions of people are becoming wealthy, and when 100 million Chinese start drinking milk then that's going to have an impact on food prices”.

Yes, you heard her right. Check Bloomberg.com if you don’t believe me.

Why am I not surprised by her statement? Why am I not surprised by this type of “blame China first” mentality? Could it be that it’s already becoming old?

According to her, then, should the developing world just cease their dream of getting wealthier and a better life, so the civilized world can enjoy their life better? Look, the development of China and India already caused environmental impact, and they should just stay where they are and everybody will be happy. Right?

Remarkably, her reasoning is much in line with Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva of Brazil, the world's top sugar cane grower. Lula repeatedly rejected criticism of biofuel production.

“Food is expensive because the world wasn't prepared to see millions of Chinese people, millions of Indians and Africans eating three times a day'' Lula told reporters in Brasilia on April 16th, 2008.

Sure, eating three times a day not only drives the global food prices up, but also it’s not the best way to keep ones figure. I really want to thank Angela Merkel and others for caring for the welfare of hundreds of millions around the world.

Who is this Asingh? Is he a Bengalis or Punjabis? Punjabis killed Indira Gandhi. They are cold-blooded munderer.

Jeff, I really appreciate your last post. It's calm, rational and yet right to the point.

When oil prices rise, they blame China and India. When food prices rise they also blame China and India.

Telling from my working experience, the slumping US dollar should have a much bigger share of the blame. Those goods are traded in dollar and when the US government let the value of dollar take a nosedive, the prices of commodities are surely to rise. Those sellers are not stupid. When they find the dollars they get are shrinking in value, they will raise the price and ask for more dollars.

And then, there is huge speculation on the markets. Why, the sub prime mortgage crisis roils world financial markets. Where can all the hot, thirsty and greedy money go? They buy into commodities markets. So we see oil reaches 120 dollars a barrel, and food prices are skyrocketing.

Blame the slumping US dollar and reckless western investors!

BTW, China is not importing too much foodstuff. They have long decided to rely on domestic production, not leaving themselves at the mercy of greedy western speculators.

Professor Vicky Y, thanks for quoting the poem. It's exactly what they have been saying about China.

For those China-bashers, this country can never be right. So we Chinese fight back and then tend to our own business as usual. We'll keep improving our industries, environment, government efficiency, human rights and society at large just as they stand on looking bitching loud against us here and there.

I always enjoy the Chinese saying: the dogs are barking and the traveler is moving on. There will always be noise, but they can never stop us from making this country better.

Kev,

"people here tend to believe that it is only the western world that pressures Chinese society on this tibet issue. but.. "

We know how to deal with Tibet. That's why the central government has spent billions of dollars on infrastructure there, building hospitals and schools, creating thousands of new jobs every year...

The West or any other country you implied there has anything to do with it. Who are developing Tibet and trying to make it a better place. It's the Chinese, not you, my friend, nor Bill, not Simon, not Ms Pelosi or Hillary Clinton.

If we Chinese kowtow to the West, we're still a junior partner with the West. Look at Japan, with the second largest economy in the world, it is still constantly bullied by America. That's why we never trust our dear Western friends. They have no interest in helping China to fix the real problems. They want fat business contracts, lucrative markets and an obedient junior partner. China is simply too big to play that role. The Chinese people are simply too smart to be deceived, misled and bullied now.

So, we continue with our own version of economic and social reform. We now are the third or fourth largest economy in the world. We hold more than one trillion us dollars of American government debt. We don't kowtow to America. Instead, despite all those anti-China lunatics, the White House has shown some respect to China, just as a borrower will do to his lender.

And I tell you again, Argentina doesn't want to join your anti-China campaign. Neither do Oman, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, or Indonesia. Even Australia doesn't want to be on your China-bashing wagon.

Now, you tell me the whole world is trying to lecture China on how to deal with Tibet. Please, don't fool yourself.

Sorry folks. Bill Powell can not answer your posts right now. He's busy picking up the garments from the front lawn of his house in Shanghai. Watch out Bill! Your pissed-off Chinese wife just threw another suitcase out of the window.

The Dalai Lama is being charged for religious persecution by Tibetans in India:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aboblx-0zAs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5sOm-uQH9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1dILwsmwCQ

http://www.sumatiarya.nl/voiceofDorjeShugden.html (Voice of Tibetans, and lawsuit information)
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/index.htm

Do people read their own writing before clicking the "Submit" button? I can't understand half the posts here because they border on gibberish. Nothing but a ramble about God-knows-what.

Jeff, what you refer to as the "blame China first" mentality is nothing new. Every developing power will encounter this prejudice.

Take Japan in the 1970s, when it was experiencing double digit growth for nearly a decade. There was significant fear amongst the industrialized west that "the Japanese are coming!" This fear is compounded by several high-profile acquisitions by Japanese firms, including one case where Mitsubishi bought the iconic Rockefeller Center.

If a democratic Japan, whose government was established by the United States, could be feared and disdained like the plague, then certainly China, a country that has a one-party government that is the antithesis to western political thought, will face the same type of prejudice.

@kev

"it is china vs the rest of the civilized world"

And you call other people chauvinist?

When people make statement such as that, just how do they hope to win the cooperation of the Chinese people in actually resolving the problems? Or do they believe that whatever system that works in the west must also work exactly as is in China, regardless of the difference in culture and history, let alone the level of economic development?

And the west marvel at how on earth the Chinese people could be so incensed. There goes one reason.

huaren, you're amazing. Hahah

You might very well have intimidated ASing back to his common sense.

If you're an old Chinese living overseas, I take off my hat for all those comments you have made here.

It's really fun to read your comments.

Before finnaly goiing to lunch, I want to say Search4T is a really nice person with a good sense of humor.hahaha

Bill, where are you now?

Well I'm quite flattered. But we've only just met. So let's not start licking each other's lollipops just yet. I'm only trying to get everybody lighten up a little bit around here, of course at the expense of Bill, who I'm sure also have a good sense of humor.

Let's face it. It's pretty tough for Western journalists like Bill living in China right now. They have a deadline to meet. But they are not allowed to go cover the "real actions". I don't blame them for being a pissed-off bunch of westerner. I would if I couldn't do my job. So it's not that hard to fathom that after recycling some last week's storylines to keep their editors at bay, they kill their time sipping beers at Houhai or Martini at the Bund, while bitching about China on their blogs.

Make you wish that People's Armed Police had a mbedded journalist program. ;-)

Well I'm quite flattered. But we've only just met. So let's not start licking each other's lollipops just yet. I'm only trying to get everybody lighten up a little bit around here, of course at the expense of Bill, who I'm sure also have a good sense of humor.

Let's face it. It's pretty tough for Western journalists like Bill living in China right now. They have a deadline to meet. But they are not allowed to go cover the "real actions". I don't blame them for being a pissed-off bunch of westerner. I would if I couldn't do my job. So it's not that hard to fathom that after recycling some last week's storylines to keep their editors at bay, they kill their time sipping beers at Houhai or Martini at the Bund, while bitching about China on their blogs.

Make you wish that People's Armed Police had a mbedded journalist program. ;-)

After reading this little piece by Bill Powell, I do feel that Simon is a very decent man. In my honest opinion, this piece reall sucks. I don't think there're many Chinese who like the regime of N. Korea and the "General Kim". in fact, if you read Chinese chatrooms such as Tianya (and more hints you will find on some forums for photograph fans), you will find out that virtually no one likes that regime, nor do they think Kim is "China’s good friend". Instead, he's the troublemaker to China.

Also, the design of torch relay route, which passes both N and S Korea, is for understanding and peace of one but split nation. Anyone can't see this should go back to school and learn history, and more important, the common sense.

But thanks to Bill, you have provided us an excellent example of how easy a foreign reporter can be ignorant, even he married to a native people. And it's really a hard job to fix this saddening situation.

It's very funny to find that those people here really think that most Tibetans in China side with the rioters and have strong enmity against the hans or CCP. Sorry to disappoint you it is not the case. The policies regarding the Tibetans has been much successful. Today more Tibetans worship money not Dalailama.
For those who hold the opinions that the CCP treat the Tibetens brutally or have committed cultural genocide, better go there and prove that by yourselves, otherwise you don't the ground to post your sh*t here.

these are the pictures taken by a Chinese youth on his journey into Tibet after the riot. even if you can't read Chinese, the photos can you tell you something.Stop the campaign aimed to stir up hatred and nationalism in China.
http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/sport/1/106433.shtml

Time works for the Chinese, even Mongols and Manchurians can be tamed, what makes the Tibetans so special? I bet that this is Dalai's last futile try.

"The people in the free world" have the opinion that since the media is controlled in china, the Chinese have no access to the truth.It's actually not the case right now when internet is popular in China. CCTV & xinhua might only cover the news they want people to know, but they don't have the guts to make up stories because they face the most critical audience in the world. Do you know that once CCTV let a girl say that she has fallen victim to the pornographic and violent stuff on internet, which was slightly different from the fact. The Chinese netizens got angry and backlashed on the girl. They used the "human flesh search engine " to track the information of the girl, and protests were made to the girl and her family. P.S. I don't appreciate their mobbish manner in doing this.
The same thing with tibetan riots. People in Lasha went on internet and talked about their experiences. We knew it before Xinhua released the news. Of all the reports covering this unrest, the documentary made by CCTV is the most faithful one, while the reports in the westen media are more likely to be based on their own imaginations and there were mistakes everywhere. They couldn't find the proof that the Chinese police abused the Tibetans so they labelled the Nepalis 'Chinese police' to mislead the audience. And BBC&CNN who were not invited to Lasha said the trip was strictly controlled by CCP, while I saw on Japanese Kyodo news that they were rather free to interview anyone. "Monks disrupted the govenment organized trip", you finally found something in your favor? How could the monks even stand there , give a 20-miniute self-contradictory talk, if the government really shot every dissident as you have said?pathetic nonbrainers!...
So now you know why the Chinese don't buy your stories?

Absolutely Andreas. If the Monks did not have freedom of speech, how could they talk to the foreign journalists and grieve for at least 15 minutes, just in the face of the CCP officials? If they were restricted so tightly, how could they just get out and talk to them? So contradictory!

Some people above is still comparing the Chinese Media with the Western Media. The Chinese have never denied that the Chinese Media is strictly controlled by the government, and we all know it. But it can not be a reason for the West Media to lie about the truth, especially on what happened on March 14th when enough evidences are available. In a word, who is without a sin to throw the first stone?

Why are Han Chinese so racist?

why hans so racist!

1. no mother or father to show them right from wrong?
2. eating gov propaganda like kfc
3. unwilling to compromise for fear of being wrong
4. got bio-pew for brains
5. foolish pride @ cost of poor tibetans lives = uncertain next life / much suffering.

i could go on all day and into next yr with the insults...

i know its black comedy, but this gives me much joy to shred your ego's when it presents itself like pealed boiled egg to pock fun at.

our message of truth is getting through, but it won't last forever, just do it till the olympics is over

cont. why hans so racist?

correction..
2. eat gov propaganda like noodle soup

6. believe in fortune cookies
7..unable to tell night from day
8. cursed with ignorance for practicing ignorance
9. lost at sea without a paddle drinking only salt water soup in noodles
10. chemical poisoning from drinking tainted river water has brought on brain degeneration.

by asking "Why are Han Chinese so racist?" you become a racist.

compassionate pig

Thanks for answer my question. I think that answers it.

Orange

Using your logic: If I ask why the KKK are racist against African American, I become a racist.

Asking questions of crimes being committed does not make you guilty of the crime.

Maybe thats how it is in China.
Hu Jia asked questions about the subvertive nature of Human Rights violations and AIDS victims cover up by the CCP, and he got charged for 'subversion'.

Please dont apply your outdated, fanciful and corrupt form of justice as practiced in Communist China to us in the FREE WORLD.

Asingh, could you please not use the things about the Chinese government to corroborate your view "Hans are racist"?
Have you ever seen any Chinese here insult Tibetans, Uighurs, or Indians?

Can someone here tell me why "the people in the free world" are so stubborn and unreasonable?
Asingh, if you have any knowledge of the Chinese law, you will know it is racist against Hans.

Have you ever seen any Chinese here insult Tibetans, Uighurs, or Indians?

Answer: Yes I have. Moreover the Hans support the CCP govt of taking a hardline line (brutal physical repression) against the Tibeteans and Uigirs. This has resulted in killings, murder, prison, and mental torture for the minorities in Tibet.

The whole world knows that the Chinese are simply brutal.

Orange

Using your logic: If I ask why the KKK are racist against African American, I become a racist.

Asking questions of crimes being committed does not make you guilty of the crime.
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Please don't insult the word "logic". Ku Klux Klan is a racism-based bloc, but the Han Chinese is not. So by asking "Why are Han Chinese so racist?", you have already set a false basis, namely Han=racists. And by throwing such a discrimination onto a group of people as a whole, that's racism. You become a racist.

Of course there're racists in China, just like there're a lot in the FREE WORLD. But saying Chinese are racists, your illogic really sucks.

Maybe thats how it is in China.
Hu Jia asked questions about the subvertive nature of Human Rights violations and AIDS victims cover up by the CCP, and he got charged for 'subversion'.
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Hu Jia is a Han Chinese, which is a member of a racist bloc, the Han Chinese.

Please dont apply your outdated, fanciful and corrupt form of justice as practiced in Communist China to us in the FREE WORLD.
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Surely you're not someone who plaies "Infernal Affairs" in the FREE WORLD?

This entry is indeed biased. People who claim that all Han Chinese hate/dislike/discriminate the minority races, you are biased too. From my experience, many Han Chinese are concerned about the protests. Many netizens seek to promote peace on the web and they believe all races should be treated equally, just like you do. The "Nationalism" is another matter all together because there are many fake picture. Some of you might have seen this one:
http://www.takungpao.com/2tkp_site2/news/images/08/04/06/103813_riot.jpg
People who circulated this picture and showed it to the general public claimed that the Chinese police were asked to disguise as monks and commit violent acts in Tibet, thus concluded that the Chinese government hired people to hide the reality. The fact is, this picture was taken during the shooting of the 2002 film "The Touch". There's another picture which I can't find a link but basically it's abt some ppl carrying a wounded person. It was assumed that these ppl(assumed to be police) were trying to beat up the wounded person(assumed to be arrested by them). In fact, they just tried to get him into an ambulance.

Not all Hans are racists.

All Han Chauvenists are racists.

Han Chauvennistic views are held by anyone who supports Han Imperialism such as military occupation of Tibet, Xinjiang.

Asingh, i don't know how to argue with you. you said,"yes I have", then show it.
Everytime you give these clueless points like "the Chinese are simply brutal", are you not being racist? Are the Chinese you know being brutal?
How many Chinese have you seen support brutal repression?
If you go on with these baseless insults, I'm gonna call you A san.

How many Chinese have you seen support brutal repression?

All nationalist Chinese who are screaming, blogging etc in favour of Han imperialism over Tibet, Xinjiang, Taiwan etc. They all support brutal repression.

I here giveyou some tips on how we have been brutal to the minorities:
The suicide 'one-child' policy applies only to the Hans, the minorities like Tibetans are exempted from it. In the past decade the number of the newborn minorities is likely to overtake that of the hans while the proportion of their population is less than 10 %. The minorities has been given priorities in education, hygiene, etc. Many ethnic Chinese students fake to be minorities so that they can have a remarkable advantage in the competition, which means they can go to the college with 40 % less points in the test.
PRC was responsible for inventing written languages of many minorites which they don't have before. There are schools exclusively for minorities where they learn how to preserve their own culture.
If the Tibetans kill a Han with their traditional swords, they won't get the due punish, which is not a rare case in China.

And I tell you I don't support the line on Uighurs,Tibetans& other ethnic minorities. Why should we become the victim of such leniecy?

To compassionate pig:

"Truth hurts and fire lies, but for a pathological liar like bookeveil blind is not blind in the dark."

Posted by compassionate pig | April 23, 2008 10:00 PM

Like so many hypocrites here, after running out words, you just started calling names. Do you think this is humilinating me? No, it is you. You are just reminding people here how hypocritical you are.
I said the "kev" and you chose to be "blind", because you two kept repeating that minority Chinese are being discriminated by Han Chinese. In one of the posts above, as a Manchurian Chinese, I already said that minority Chinese are not being discriminated in China. What make you think that you have the privilege, which allow you accusing someone without evidence?

Not all Hans are racists.

All Han Chauvenists are racists.

Han Chauvennistic views are held by anyone who supports Han Imperialism such as military occupation of Tibet, Xinjiang.
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By this standard, the government of India is so racist, because it recognizes that Tibet is a part of China.

ASingh

First, your hypothsis is totally wrong.In fact, it is dalai violating not only the right of the Tibetan to pursue happiness but also the right to live.

Secondly, remember there is no absolute thing in the world,such as absolute good or bad. Pls try to analyse when you meet those not-so-good words,such as "violate" and "occupation".

Thirdly, here I want to remind you of IRRATIONALITY in Game Theory: the conclusions of rational analysis sometimes seem unreasonable and counter intuitive even on the basis of simple introspection.So the result of a Tibetan's referendum couldn't promise them a good future for certain.

Rome was not built in a day. It is same with your study and china democracy.

Only Hans support the military occupation and brutal repression of Tibet.

No govt has ever congratulated China on its repression in Tibet (oh, maybe Kim Jong).

Also His Holiness is the rightful leader of the Tibetean people.

You Hans just find him such a threat because is such a charasmatic and world renowned figure. He is known for peace, love, compassion - complete opposite of the Han Chauvenism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@compassionate pig: “why hans so racist!”

Glad to see your parents are helping with your composition. But allow me to help you expand on that, just for fun.

“1. no mother or father to show them right from wrong?”
Right. Perhaps children in China don’t like to listen to their parents who tend to be CCP members. Gee, now you wish they did listen to them.

“2. eating gov propaganda like kfc”
These are Chinese people with some money.

“2a. eat gov propaganda like noodle soup”
Chinese people don’t have as much money as those under 2. above. Do you know you can buy at least 2 orders of noodle soup for the price of a kfc value meal.

“3. unwilling to compromise for fear of being wrong”
Maybe because they have been right all the time. Nobody likes to end their winning streak.

“4. got bio-pew for brains”
Umm. I can’t find the English definition of bio-pew anywhere. Does that mean really really smart but racist in Sanskrit?

“5. foolish pride @ cost of poor tibetans lives = uncertain next life / much suffering.”
Sorry I don’t quite get it. Are you trying to calculate the cost of poor tibetans lives. But I don’t think the formula make sense. What’s “uncertain next life” divided by “much suffering”?

“6. believe in fortune cookies”
Those people described under 2 and 2b but live overseas. If you ever being to China you would know that you can’t find fortune cookies in restaurants there.

“7..unable to tell night from day”
People under 6. above who are experiencing jetlags.

“8. cursed with ignorance for practicing ignorance”
I agree. The best way to confront someone practicing ignorance is to become even more ignorant than they are and curse them with your own ignorance.

“9. lost at sea without a paddle drinking only salt water soup in noodles”
But keep in mind some of them prefer kfc or fortune cookies… See 2,