Sign of the Times

just like bruce lee, if i see that cab it's getting smashed

This could be trouble. For some reason people always think I'm French or Canadian in China. There must be some profile for Americans I'm just not fitting into.

One thing you need to bear in mind is that China has a population of 1.3 billion.
"林子大了什么鸟都有". well, if you can understand this sentence in the context of Chinese culture, you won't be surprised to see this post.
Well, what I am saying is that you CANNOT single out one Chinese and then say he or she is the representative of all Chinese.

@Petro,

Maybe you're not ignorant or stupid enough? Try wearing a star-spangled bandanna, travel in a large group with fellow Americans, speak loudly in English, point and oggle as everything non-American that you see, race to the first McDonalds you can find, and of course ask for where to find the US on a map. Perhaps also try to pack on a large beer belly too.

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Jokes aside, does it really matter if the French are being singled out? The anti-French sentiments will fade. The important issue is how the entire problem has changed from Tibet to Chinese citizens vs. the west. No one talks about Tibet or how to address the issue anymore. It's all "Chinese protest against the West!!" these last couple of days.

That sign is racist and is simple as that.

I would venture to say that vast vast majority of Chinese are respectful of foreigners - including Frenchmen today.

Its far fetched to compare this with the sign posted by some Europeans during their attempts at colonizing China. That was invasion and calling the victims dogs.

Sarkozy stuck his neck out and tried to grab the limelight for the biased Western media as a poster boy for the so called "boycotting" the opening ceremony.

China needs to nuke some of the nuclear power plant deals they have going for the French and see what that lame dude does.

Chinese really don't have much issue with the US, because San Francisco handled the torch relay fairly well.

Taiwan is usually the focus of those young people. Now Dalai Lama and Tibet start to appear on their radar, thanks for the Olympic relay. I bet we will see more boycott shows if Western officials ever meet with Dalai Lama in the future. They may just pick an easy target: a company or brand name from that country to boycott. People are planning boycott KFC to protest the meeting of Nancy Pelosi with Daliar. Tibet is non issue. If CCP ever concedes anything to Dalai Lama, CCP will have to face the whole nation. Or even Hu and his people may be forced to resign. His statue will kneel in front of Chinese as long as China exists. It is a very serious issue for Chinese. They don't have to keep CCP, but they can't lose control of Tibet. Here I already started receiving chained emails to vote down Nancy Pelosi, though I live on east coast. The whole world is crazy now.

did anyone follow that link? the dalai lama is visiting france in august, when the olympics open in beijing. and the honorary citizenship wasn't only awarded to the revered monk, but also to Hu Jia, the recently-jailed activist. obviously, the city's government and the federal government are not on the same page. china is sure to be pissed.

I do not understand Chinese nationalism. Simon, where do people's sentiments come from? I feel like "biased Chinese media" or "brainwashing" or whatever seem like pretty inadequate explanations, because anyone who wanted to read more objective reporting than what the China Daily offers could easily do so. The firewall is big, but it's not THAT big.

It seems like Chinese people genuinely are uninterested in dialogue or critical examination of any of the issues that has created backlash against the west. That site the picture is from, Chinaren, it has lots of nationalist stuff. There's a huge petition with thousands of signatures, there's one page with a header showing Nancy Pelosi and the CNN logo crossed out (among others). There's photos of Chinese protesters waving signs with things like "Go Olympics! No politics!" No discussion? Oppose French people? I understand the idea of feeling nationalistic and supporting your government, but what's happening right now is beyond just nationalism; people are literally angry at the fact that the westerners have different opinions of the Chinese government than Chinese people do, and they are determined not to change anyone's mind, but to punish and silence any kind of argument.

What's up with that? When the whole 'freedom fries' thing was going down a few years ago, there was plenty of debate within America and plenty of people who supported the French boycott were willing and ready to debate and stick up for their position. In China, it's not that people have extreme nationalist views that surprises me, it is the attitude towards dialogue, that is, that any kind of discussion is bad. Why?

I can understand the attitude the local media holding toward Dalai's honoracy citizenship.But I totally cannot agree with what they've said about HuJia.Hujia is now figured as a well-deserved prisoner, illustrating the bias and evil of Frech. That's what I'm worry most.This has made the issue that truly matters looks tame.And now the Hujia may become a betrayer to his country as I can imagine what media would write about him.That must be something terrible. The chance to get the public view to cases like Hujia through Olympic has completely been ruined. I just feel really bad now.People in west should be responsible for it, even though it's not they originally wanted.I totally agree cap'n crunch said above. You've singled china out from the rest of the world, making it"Chinese protest against West." It's not funny and it has wasted the chance to address some real issues here.Shame on you,guys.

You communist nationalist think your superior to the rest of the world. Don't forget the cold war in Russia and how communist ideas will never succeed in countries where there is freedom of speech and religion.

THE WHOLE WORLD SHOULD BOYCOTT YOU AS A COMMUNIST THREAT

It was not a good idea for China to take the torch around the world
and shove their nationalism in the worlds face.

ONE WORLD ONE DREAM
is now becoming a promotion for communist ideology.

One World One Dream Under Communism

many more people from democratic countries are shinning a light on you now. You will have to show more reforms in the future if you want to be accepted in the ranks of worlds elite countries.

If you think its acceptable to not have human rights reform...

I WILL AND EVERYONE MUST BOYCOTT CHINESE EVERYTHING

shame on the personal attacques...

shame on some stupied 'anger youngers'...

Simon,
It is strange to me too why the Chinese seem to get offended the most by the French. Really, they don't deserve that much of attention. Those that barks don't bite. Suppose the western countries decide to liberate Tibet by force, you can count on the French to be the first to oppose as they did to the U.S. over Iraq.

Drew,
Chinese people feel disrespected by the torch circus. They don't believe that those who are fanning the situation really care about the lives and freedom of Tibeten people. The Chinese are not interested in having "dialogs" with Dalai Lama because they know they cannot satisfy his demand for racial segregation and "Great Tibet" which covers 1/4 of the land of China. Dailai can receive whatever honors the western countries can come up with (hasn't he got enough of those?), but the more he gets the more Chinese people hate him. This is going no where.

lol.The taxi driver just hate Frenchmen,not Frenchwem.haha~~~~~~

I guess this sign is for the french government. French people should not feel being offended.

lol.The taxi driver just hate Frenchmen,but not Frenchwen.Haha~~~~~~

mao, you are still living in the cold war, aren't you? Spreading communist ideology? Communist threat? All that to the elite countries? Hahahahaha!

This whole madness seems to have started around the time that the Edison Chen scandal died down.

It has all gone a little bit too far now and even the CCP has realized that the Carrefour protests are pretty embarrassing.

The only way out I can see is if Edison would release some of his other photographic output. China's angry young men need a reason to stop hating everyone who disagrees with their government. The diversion of some naked flesh would do the trick.

Come on Edison. Do it for the Motherland!

This shows the true nature of widespread racism & xenophobia in China. If they can treat the French this way, just think what they are doing to the Tibeteans and Uigurs.

Simon Elegant, yes, you
you wont post anything like this , right?:

“Well, I don’t know if China is any different, but our relationship with China is certainly different. We’re in hock to the Chinese up to our eyeballs because of the war in Iraq, for one thing. They’re holding hundreds of billions of dollars worth of our paper. We also are running hundred of billions of dollars worth of trade deficits with them, as we continue to import their junk with the lead paint on them and the poisoned pet food and export, you know, jobs to places where you can pay workers a dollar a month to turn out the stuff that we’re buying from Wal-Mart. So I think our relationship with China has certainly changed. I think they’re basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they’ve been for the last 50 years”.

that's the reason we need to make another sign of
" american racists and dog allowed".
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btw,ASingh,

are you indian?

I think the sign is quite humorous. Besides, there is an Ajisen Noodle joint on the background, yummie! :)

The Paris council has handled the torch relay badly, and is now insulting the Chinese openly. No wonder somebody takes offense and expresses this in a light-hearted way. Just take it easy.

@mao tse tune:
China communist? haha, right. Most Western European socialism-based countries are more communist in nature. Welcome to the 21st century.

@Asingh:
They will refuse to take Tibetans and Uighurs in their taxis?
Call the UN! Although they will probably care as much about your rants as the people on this forum.

Anyone that calls Chinese racist and xenophobe clearly doesn't have a clue. They are the most friendly and foreigner-curious people I've ever met.

you use all the same arguing points, i've hear them over and over.
your such a bunch of racist bigots.

i do like you gossip column here and am thankful to get my message of truth, that shines like a bright light in a cave blind chinese bats.

the independents who see what you and i have to say will probably stand on the side of reason rather than behind the fence of tail waggers.

COMMUNISM WITHOUT REFORM IS STILL COMMUNISM

Chinese communism is the worst of both worlds:

Economy: Completely state controlled investments.
Lack of efficient capital markets.
No labour rights, unions banned, apphauling working conditions - explotation at the hilt.

Politics: Repression on freedom and human rights that can only be matched by Stalin.

God damn, I'm loving this Olympics. It's turning out to be less "Triumph of the Will" and more "55 Days at Peking"!

There seems to be a double standard applied by Chinese to themselves as opposed to foreigners. When Chinese use racial insults it's "only one or crazy guys in 1.3 billion" When foreigners do the same it is "hurting the feeling of the Chinese people" and let's have a boycott/witchhunt/website attack.

I actually like the sign, but would the driver know the difference between bonjour and Bohai?

LAUGHING EYES THAT CANNOT SEE

How can you laugh at something you cannot see? The symbolism of being blind as a bat and chinese unreasonable perspective is unique also to the nationalist germany in the 30s and 40s.

When the light of truth shines or when the bat leaves its cave it cannot see. It uses its clicking radar much like pheromone of a bee or ant to sends information of the groups needs. The radar for the chinese bat is controlled by the central government that keeps the masses enslaved with its message of fear. The central government is run by a bi-polar queen who will stop at nothing if the group doesn't abide by her rules. 'kind of like follow the leader or i'll wipe out your family'

Which is explains how millions of bats can live in one cave together under oppressive conditions and why they are blinded by the flashlight of someone entering the cave because the are so emotionally frightened after being programmed by their selfish mother/government..

I'm beginning to feel more sorry for you chinese now and wish i could give you the # of my psychologist friend. But as i stands this is your mess and your challenge, but i must tell you the government of yours is no friend to you or me.

YOU COMMUNIST NATIONALIST ARE BLIND AS A CHINESE BAT

Chinese double standards:

That taxi driver - ''oh just one guy, not true china''.

Cafferty on calling CCP goons and thugs - ''The western and world media including the people there ignorant etc etc''

That taxi driver is a true reflection of the the chinese. Having been to China with my girlfriend from Russia, we found them the most racist and Xenophophic people. They hate foreigners, think all outsiders are extremist colonisers, think Tibeteans are back-ward people who need development and thus the Han Man's burden (life Africa was potrayed as the White Man's burden by Churchill to defend colonolism).

Vow, I thought Mr. little Scrappy Simon Elegant was on vacation, but you just came back. Actually, I was expecting to read something written by Bill when I came here. Anyway, since you are there, then HELLO!

As for those scores of French men and women on the Paris City Council, I've long counted them out. They were born and raised on Planet Unreality, so I wouldn't care what they say or do. If they do have guts, they can keep enraging China and the Chinese people. They will get all these nasty words and actions back.

I can't remember who said this but I do recall some American guys said once something like this: France was an old woman who was constantly thinking she was still in her prime time. She tried to appear charming but just made men shivering with cold. In one word, this coutry has long lost its status as a world power, but it keeps to act like one. So it lashed out at America on Iraq war and now it comes to bark at China when there is Olympics. It gets some attention, but never wins respect.

America can not think of themselves as lecturers of human rights or democracy, not to mention an aging and declining country like France. If those French men and women on the council want to have a date with the Dalai Lama, that's ok. It's none of China's business. But I also think those French guys have no right to lie to the Chinese people with semi-friendly gestures to get fat business contracts.

Anyway, not all French politicians are so stupid. So we get a letter from the president and three envoys are on their way to China to talk about FRIENDSHIP. For those French council men and women, I say go and have a real affair with your beloved Dalai Lama and never come to China. If I were a taxi driver, I'd say:

Humans and dogs, but no French council men and women please.

If you try to screw me, I'll make sure you are the first to be screwed hard.

It is learnt that the Chinese leadership is facing difficulty in controlling the Neo Red Guards, who have let loose an anti-foreigners and anti-Buddhists campaign to protest against foreign support to the freedom struggle of the Tibetans and against the attacks on the Olympic Flame during its recent passage through London and Paris.

Whereas the protests in China are till now directed only against the French, the protests by the overseas Chinese are directed against the authorities of the UK, France and the US and the media of those countries. It is learnt that the protests inside China as well as abroad are being sponsored and directed by the Ministry of Public Security, which is China's internal intelligence and security agency. Mr Meng Jianzhu, the Minister for Public Security , is viewed by many as the head of the new group of Neo Red Guards, which is increasingly dictating the Tibet policy after the uprising began in Lhasa on March 10, 2008, and from there spread to other Tibetan-inhabited areas of Tibet, Gansu, Qinghai and Sichuan.

There have been demonstrations against the outlets of Carrefour, the French super-market chain, in Beijing and other Chinese cities. A campaign for an economic boycott of France and French products has also been launched by the Neo Red Guards.

Hundreds of overseas Chinese studying or working in the UK, France and the US have been mobilised to protest against the recent incidents in London and Paris during the passage of the Olympic Flame and against the attempts to organise similar incidents in San Francisco, which were, however, thwarted by the local authorities. The orchestrated Chinese anger against the Western media has been particularly concentrated against the CNN, which has been accused of anti-Beijing bias in its coverage.

According to reliable sources, the Chinese leadership is worried that if these protests continue, it may foul the atmosphere in the months leading up to the Beijing Olympics of August,2 008. The Chinese leadership's dream of projecting the Games as a spectacular exercise in international harmony has been badly damaged. Its appeals for cooling the anti-foreigner campaign have had no effect so far. The Neo Red Guards are reportedly of the view that countering what they see as an international conspiracy to bring about a splitting-up of Tibet and Xinjiang from China is more important than holding the Olympics in harmony. They are, therefore, not worried about the likely adverse impact of their campaign on the Olympics.

As part of its Patriotic Re-education campaign, the Ministry of Public Security has ordered all Buddhist monasteries in the Tibetan-inhabited areas to fly the Chinese national flag side by side with their religious flag. The monks have been resisting this order. The number of arrests so far is estimated to be more than two thousand. These figures include those arrested for their suspected participation in the violent incidents after March 10, those detained as a preventive measure and those arrested for refusing to fly the Chinese national flag.

Lest we forget, refusing to fly the Chinese flag in Tibet carries a possible execution sentence for being splittest.

ASingh

Welcome to the free world.

I am glad your cast allows you to post here.

First of all, I admire people who speak their minds out of conviction. Even though singling out the French is too simplistic. The gesture(sign on the cab) is only symbolic, realistically the French were not terribly inconvenienced.

But be careful, one thing the Chinese government fears the most are spontaneous actions by any group of citizens.

Which brings to the point of the whole CNN incident. In their tunnel vision, the CCP cannot tolerate one man's view on a commercial broadcast. In their own frame of reference, the media should totally toe the official line, they have no concept of freedom of speech.

The CCP totally acted like thugs and gangsters against Chinese people, Hans, Tibetans or otherwise since their rise to power. Remember the anti-right, anti-three,five, cultural revolution, Tiananmen actions? These are only against their own country men. What about the life-long house arrest of former president Zhao without formal charges or trials. This is against their own party member. Not acts of a responsible government. How about supporting murderous regimes like N Korea or Zimbabwe. These are the reasons the western people protest the Olympic torch runs, not against the Chinese people. Chinese can defend China, but you don't have to totally equal the government with the Chines nation or the chinese race.

Ethnic Chinese are allowed peaceful gatherings and protests in western countries against western institutions and governments without the threat of arrest or retributions. Can you imagine groups of forigners protesting in China? A huge contrast in human rights reality.
Pull your heads out of the sand, Chinese patriots.

To the person whose name I forgot:
U can't say that Chinese ppl have double standards. Cafferty is a very important figure and he does represent the CNN's stand when he's the host for them. Also, if the Chinese government is going to allow Tibet be independent, which I guess will not happen in the near future, there will not be too many Chinese protesters. I dunno y ppl so pissed off about the I heard China thing but none of my friends on msn who are not from China criticised me or said that I'm being overly nationalistic when I put it on. I have over 150 contacts on MSN.
And continue, mao, let me see what else you r going to say. u proved urself a very devoted buddhist indeed...
Anyway, the scene that Mr Elegant described is from Fist of Fury...Maybe the taxi driver just wanted to find a target...maybe it's too long for the banner to include english and french...maybe he thought it's cool...From the background you can see that ppl r taking photos of it and others laughing at it. The photo is more intended to be a joke, like those that shows funny translations in China.
I believe ASingh is from India cuz it is an indian name???have u been to Chinese websites like baidu.com and visited the forums America and other western countries??? there are criticisms of course as you have expected and also ppl who r trying to convince others not to be so radical. but u r turning more and more radical.

To Mr little scrappy Simon Elegant:

When you first mentioned that some people were anxious to use the Olympics to pressure China to make concessions they can't make, I wrote that such lunatic actions would get nowhere. Because over 99 percent of Chinese people want to have a successful Olympics. This is a people who once had a very successful culture. But this is also a people who were once conquered and humiliated so hard by Western powers.

They personally and also collectively think the Olympics will officially put an end to that chapter of dark memory. With a sucessful Olympics, they can finnaly be sure they themselves and their country are finnaly equal to the world and so they can start turning a new page when it comes to interacting with the world. In this sense, the Olympics is a huge opportunity both for China and the world. The world needs a modern, moderate and reasonable China, and the Olympics will certainly help China evole in that direction.

But some stupid people don't understand this. They just missed that too-important-too-miss opportunity for engaging China. They kept lashing out at China with cliche of democarcy and human rights and thus pushed China and the Chinese people to the defensive corner burning with anger, delusion and nationalist sentiments. The Chinese people will need a long time to forget what some Westerners did to disrupt the torch relay. Before that, they can never really put an end to the chapter of dark memory.

As Bill once pointed out, what did these stupid people get back in return? Did China actually back down on issues such as Darfur or Tibet? NO. Or maybe those guys actually didn't plan to solve complicated issues like Darfur and Tibet. They just took the Olympics as a hostage and tried to get as much attention as possible. To solve issues like Darfur and Tibet has never been on their agenda and is simply beyond their phiscical, mental and intellectual capabilities.

Mr little scarppy Simon Elegant, I tell you again: you need to write in a more moderate tone like Bill. As Bill pointed out: it's time to get rid of polictics and make the Olympics what it is. You need to write something as classy as that.

Do you rember you were crying out once that the Chinese military armed to the teeth were moving to Tibet to kill and destroy? So tell me now where is the bloody carckdown? Did the Chinese military killed all Tibetan monks and buried them and then turned themselvers into those monks?

That post is typical of your writing: biased journalism rich with immagination. If you were unmarried, you would really need to marry a Chinese woman and then get some quality lecturing time with her for free.

//(And at the same time, as one commenter has pointed out to me, also awarding the same status to imprisoned dissident Hu Jia: do you think maybe someone on the Paris City Council is planning to run for office down the line?)//

Heh. That was EXACTLY what I was thinking.

There is good reason why the Chinese government protest the honorary Paris citizenship of DL and Hu Jia - they are all jealous of Hu Jia and DL, especiall Wen's wife. Just like all the western world is jealous of China getting the 2008 Games and protest China around the world. Now DL and Hu Jia can go to Paris any time they want, and shop for all the nice French products that Chinese are so crazy about - did you ever seen the Chinese shoppers in Paris stores ? Very interesting. The other reason for the protest is that now China's mistreatment of Hu Jia is now an internal affair for France. France can now raise a lot more noice about China mistreating a French citizen.

Response to Posted by tia | April 22, 2008 9:27 AM

Tia:

So you have admitted Chinese have no morals, rather the writ of the gun. Violence and intimidation can never bring peace.

I dont hate hans or Chinese. China in ancient and amazing civilisation. I have many Chinese friends, my ex was Chinese, and I have travelled to China. I love Chinese food!!! Yum.

But Chinese people met one to one are very nice, but as a group to foreigners they are brutal. They treat foreigners like Tibeteans and Uigurs in Beijing like scrap. Rural china has the most racist people also.

And no, I am no middle class American.

I see myself more as a global citizen. I am from India, and am proud of it, but believe India like any country cannot be free of criticism. So I am not overly nationalistic, but rather strive for a better, and peaceful world where all can live in peace in their homelands without being dominated by Empires.

Neither am I struggling to pay my mortgage. Dont have one, as I bought my house outright.

Neoliberal policies dont hurt me, but benefit me as I work in Strategic Consultancy.

I dont live in the US either. I am currently in London, but have worked/lived in NYC, Beijing, Toyko and Hong Kong.

I am not middle aged either. I just turned 26. Wish me happy birthday.

Its is indeed interesting to note how many Chinese bloggers are interested to know my ethnicity.

To to confirm:

I am an Indian from India.

To ASingh

I re post your racist comments here,

"To all han chauvinists:
Guys, get a life and stop lashing out such insults on anyone who has opposing views. The people of Tibet and xinjiang province deserve to live a free life.
I say let there be a referendum of all ethnic Tibeteans and ethnic groups in xinjiang province, on independence.
Everyone in the world know they will vote for freedom. The free people will reject the Han chavinists.
Give people the vote, and stop this nationalist fever. Gosh. You Chinese are really going for the kill when hearing an opposing view - sheer inability to defend your case in a logical manner.
I did not know you guys had so much testosterone given the physical built of an average Han is more feminine with high cheek bones, no body hair, high pitched voice etc (ever wondered why you guys have a poor success rate among blondes?). Its almost like the Communist Party is forcibly injecting you guys with testosterone (which I would not be surprised about if a regime can engage in forced steralisation as state policy).
Please dont take this as anything bad towards Chinese people. Like I said before, I love China, esp the food, electronic goods, and women who are beautiful and obedient."

To all racists like you, should I day go back to your jungle or welcome to the jungle!

To ASingh

I re post your racist comments here,

"To all han chauvinists:
Guys, get a life and stop lashing out such insults on anyone who has opposing views. The people of Tibet and xinjiang province deserve to live a free life.
I say let there be a referendum of all ethnic Tibeteans and ethnic groups in xinjiang province, on independence.
Everyone in the world know they will vote for freedom. The free people will reject the Han chavinists.
Give people the vote, and stop this nationalist fever. Gosh. You Chinese are really going for the kill when hearing an opposing view - sheer inability to defend your case in a logical manner.
I did not know you guys had so much testosterone given the physical built of an average Han is more feminine with high cheek bones, no body hair, high pitched voice etc (ever wondered why you guys have a poor success rate among blondes?). Its almost like the Communist Party is forcibly injecting you guys with testosterone (which I would not be surprised about if a regime can engage in forced steralisation as state policy).
Please dont take this as anything bad towards Chinese people. Like I said before, I love China, esp the food, electronic goods, and women who are beautiful and obedient."

To all racists like you, should I day go back to your jungle or welcome to the jungle!

mao tse tune---

WTF are you smoking? You say China shouldn't go around shoving their nationalism down everyone's throats... well, America should be held to the same standard, and for that matter so should everyone else. You cannot create a standard for one group and not hold yourself to it without making the standard worthless and yourself a hypocrit.

Your kind of useless fear speech and hate mongering is the kind of thing that makes true progress so impossible. You need to CHILL OUT and try thinking and talking calmly, try understanding where the other person is coming from and not pass judgement on them.

There's not a single person in this world who has not had a petty, mean, or useless thought at some point, but that doesn't mean that we can't be better than that and try to be friends.

Happy Birthday ASingh ;^)

bluescreen2000:

Thanks for the lengthy complication.

Nothing there is racist as it is reference only to Han Chauvanists who support the Communist Empire, domination of minorities, abuse of human rights etc etc.

To be honest, the above are very kind words to murderers, criminals, goons & thugs,,, compared to the horrors lashed out by the Han Chauvanists on ethnic Tibeteans, dissidents and Human rights activisits in Communist China.

Nice try, but a complete waste of time.

ALL

ASingh is our Indian Friend.

I never argue with Indian Friends.

@ASingh:

"It is learnt that the protests inside China as well as abroad are being sponsored and directed by the Ministry of Public Security, which is China's internal intelligence and security agency. Mr Meng Jianzhu, the Minister for Public Security "

I am an American citizen, and I have been living here for over two decades. After I read the news from internet about the protest in LA, I drove there in my car myself. I did't get any pay from anyone, but I may consider donate money for organizations that promote peace, understanding, and equality. The other thing I can do here out of my own conviction is that use my vote to tell politician to guard those values. I will never vote for Pelosi again after her performance with Dai Lai. Hilary lost my vote after her remark on China.

My conviction is that China is heading towards right direction, and presure is not the right way to force China to change. We, American, have the responsibility to promote peace in the world. We can't spend money on one hand to save poor, and on other hand to kill more innocent people.

Anyone interested in reading the book by Amy Chua "Day of Empire: How Hyperpowers Rise to Global Dominance - and Why Thell Fall" Here is the link to the book(http://www.amazon.com/Day-Empire-Hyperpowers-Global-Dominance/dp/1400077419/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208878527&sr=1-7) As analyzed in the book, tolerance is the key to keep hyperpowers in dominance. This is true to hyperpowers before, now, and FUTURE.

oaiqnain:

You seem really sweet, but rather naive. Love your country, but not the violent & oppressive acts it carries out. Nothing justifies violence.

''baidu.com and the forums America and other western countries''.

Can you let me know a website/blog where many English literrate Chinese post their nationalistic comments on?

I should help me understand the ''other side of the argument'' as you state, but will also give the Chinese an alternative view to theirs. What do you say - do we have a deal? I could even give you my MSN, and you tell me everything from China's point of view.

jligy :

Please dont be disrespectful. It is His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. He is one of the greatest men alive today like Nelson Mendala. He is like Gandhi, a man of non-violence, peace, love, compassion and compromise. He has never supported one violent act in his life, unlike his agressors the Chinese, who have committed genocide in Tibet. Thumbs up to Speaker Pelosi - she has shown she will not be bullied by Chinese threats.

Glad you drove to the SF protests. Sure the govt did not pay for you, but the whipping up of Han Chauvenism (main discourse of Chinese Nationalism) by the CCP made u drive.

Consider yourself lucky to protest. You protested in China in favour of a foreign power (China). If you did the same in China - that is protest in favour of a foreign power (France, US, India, Japan, South Korea) - you would be locked up for subversion. So much for your Han Nationalism.

This is how the CCP sees it: When Chinese overseas protest, they protest not against the pro-Tibet guys so much, but rather in favour of keeping the Iron Curtain of human rights violations, dissedent crackdown and ethnic discrimination.

Why was not even one Chinese protestor protesting against the gross human rights violations in China.

That qualifies all such Chinese as traitors beyond reasonable doubts.

Correction to previous post: It should read:

You protested in the US in favour of a foreign power (China).

Post of a Chinese traitor:
http://www.xys-reader.org/blogs/dzl/2008/04/22/asaaeaaafac/

Guilao: "There seems to be a double standard applied by Chinese to themselves as opposed to foreigners."

Are you trying for the obvious statement of the year ?

"That sign is racist and is simple as that."

We must consider and create all possible ulterior motives, hidden agendas, and dirty plots behind all of this.

1. The taxi driver must be used by CIA to make France angry against China, further deteriorate the relation between the people of China and France.

2. The photographer is a CIA agent cooperating in this dirty plot.

3. This sign is sanctioned by the Chinese government at the highest level to instruct Chinese people how to fight the sacred war with the West, France in particular. It came through the great firewall loud and clear. It is shown as an example of Patriotic Chinese with Communist Characteristics - PCCC.

4. All patriotic Chinese netizens decided to toe the line as instructed from above, hence the support from all Chinese posters here.

5. This sign was made with the best intention, of course, and hence the sanction from the Chinese government, the only authority on intentions.

I am Chinese,not speak English well,just use simple sentences here:

1. I have lived in westen countries and still read English paper and website sometime. I can say more Chinese people here know both China and westen Country than the rest TIME reads do.

2. I DON'T TRUST westen media such as CNN as before.

3. CNN,and those media apparently support DALai LAMA ,is not so bad,but also NOT BETTER than China media.
We say " Dog bite man is not news, but man bite dog is a news". Focus on negative news is not your false,but be a TROUBLE MAKER is your false.When unbalance reports on pro-Tibet gov in exile and pro-CHINA, I realized it.

4. Now I understand " ALL the raven is same colour ---BLACK!" . I don't like China gov and am not a communist ,actually I went to demonstration when I was 16 in 1989! But in my experience ,everything is changing towards better .

5. If the pro-tibet media and people are just based on the hope of pease and democracy, it is good. BUT ,unfortunately ,I DON'T think they are ,especially the media and the back pusher. I even know some pro-tibet persons are hird by 50$ to do that.

my email : Chen_xing_2008@hotmail.com

Posted by John Smith | April 22, 2008 12:55 PM

This was such a funny post. Awesome!! (thats how I read it).

But the Chinese in both China and overseas would beleive it if it was printed in the China Peoples Daily, read on CCTV or released by Xihua News Agency.

hangzhou07:

Funny one on the $50 gaffe.

He is trying to counter the fact that the Chinese govt is orchestrating and incentivising the protests v the free world.

The Chinese anger is not against the west - it is agains the free world such as the countries of Africa, South America, India, Japan, South Korea, Europe and US.

The whole world is against them.

We read over at NPR that some Western journalists are receiving hate mails and some even death threats.

"NPR says some Western reporters in China received hate mails and death threats"

http://www.uschinatoday.com/uschinatoday/2008/04/npr-says-some-w.html

Will be interesting to see what Western media's reaction will be to this news - continue to add fuel to the fire or reflect on their actions over the last few weeks in terms of how they covered the Lahsa riots and the Olympic torch protest.

This ASingh is mental, probably bi-polar and high right now. Don't be serious with him.

I have not seen any Indian built like a black man and Indians are much less athletic than Chinese.

Just when is dating with blondes a proof of manhood? It is also funny about the myth that Chinese women are obedient.

If he were a low caste, he would not have made a big deal of Han chauvinism which is pretty much a myth anyway.

hangzhou07

1. It is just your opinion. You overlook the fact that people in the west have access to both western and Chinese media without restriction, esp true for someone like me who reads Chinese.

2. You don't have to trust any media. The important point is that you are free to watch or read anything and then make your own conclusions. Majority of people in China do not have that easy access. All official lines are the same in China, you mean you trust them more?

3. Regardless of how western media is perceived as biased, the usual news blackout, wether in Tibet, Tiananmen or during any major disaster or disturbance in China, does not make the Chinese official stand any more plausible. You want to be accepted like a global power and modern nation, act like one.

4. Not everything, not in freedom of speech or human rights. There is economic progress in many nations in the past 20 or 30 years. It is more obvious in China partly due to the fact that the starting point was so low. Compare it with S Korea or Taiwan. The Chinese people is intelligent, hard working and commericially gifted. There is no reason for the economic backwardness for all these years. The Chinese economy is what it is today despite the CCP, not because of it. No one is calling for a western style democracy overnight, but how about even basic rights like freedom of movement and residence? Why are not all Chinese people allowed unrestricted right to emigrate? What are rural people in China treated like beasts of burden in the cities? Whatever the shortcomings of western nations. One can always pack up and leave, no questions asked.

5. That is possible, but you have to give better evidence than I even know...

The only problem I have with that sign on the cab is: what did dogs do that upset the Chinese, unless it is a capitalist running dog?

The only problem I have with that sign on the cab is: what did dogs do that upset the Chinese, unless it is a capitalist running dog?

Just one question about th esign on the cab:what did the dogs do that deserve the boycott, unless it is a capitalist running dog?

Sorry about the redundance, I thought that first ones did not go through.

The Games have been intended to gain the whole world's attention -- on physical fitness and fairplay. In terms of attention gaining, the Beijing Olympics must be one of the most successful in history. But the focus has been shifted. This time, the Games are not purely about physical fitness or fairplay; it has turned out to be a farce even before the opening ceremony, due to the unduly participation of those in pursuit of their own political interests. If the IOC has to find out who triggered this anti-Olympics campaign and is to be blamed, they need to go to a small town in India.

This year's Olympics has ruined the reputation of at least two interest groups. One of them is the Dalai Lama's organization (religious or political?). The Dalai Lama used to be well known for his "non-violent, peaceful" campaign for a more autonomous Tibet(under his control). But now the world has realized he is hijacking the Olympics for his own political interest, and his people are rioting, and even threatening to use "human bombs". They are coming close to a terrorist clique.

The other is some western media. They used to be trusted and respected as flagships of journalism, even by today's furious Chinese "nationalistic" youngsters. But their coverage of this year's coming Olympics has triggered heated discussions of biased media. Thousands of people are protesting against them on streets, and millions on the internet. One of the "flagships" has nailed a vast group of people as "goons and thugs", which is by no means acceptable in today's satus of human civilisation.

Nonetheless, Mr. Simon Elegant must be singled out from the reputation-damaged media. He, as a blogger, has been very successful in this scenario. Look at the numerous comments on his blog entries. He is in the limelight! He remembers his duty as a journalist --- to get as much as possible attention from the public, so that they can be commercially as successful as possible. Well done, Mr. Elegant!

(Some commenters here want CNN to fire that big mouth Jack Cafferty. You silly people! Just as Simon Elegant is a treasure for the TIME magazine, that fouled mouth Jack is even a bigger money maker for CNN.)

Many people might have misunderstood this particular blog entry by Mr. Simon Elegant. He did refer to the colonizer's insulting sign, although he doubts its existence. Thus he gave the background information for those who are unaware of the insult that the Chinese once received. Obviously, the taxi driver's sign is only an imitation of the colonizer's sign; it's prompted by the insulting colonizer's sign. Although this type of language shouldn't be encouraged, we cannot blame those who were bullied when they were in weak form and protest the insult they received before when they feel stronger. We identify people with their history. We are who we were. For Chinese people, memories of what happened in the near past cannot be erased from their brains. China was a war victim. And this fact is exactly what has led China to today's modernization effort. The taxi driver is simply expressing his anger against the insult China used to receive from the West and triggered by the one-sided reporting of China by the media, again from the West. If you call this protest against the perceived insult racist action, what will you name those who have insulted a whole nation? racists plus?

I,my self,did see "F..K Chinese" painted on the wall in west country's city many years ago . But would Chinese TOP MEDIA give it a picture ,and post it as TOP NEWS? or post it in Chinese website as the ONLY ONE US news in couple days? To educate chinese people?

Maybe such sign just wrote by the street wonderer ,who cares.

The post "don't carry Frenchman.." is really unusuall and rarely be seen in China . I can gurantee that such things have never happened in China in past 30 years .Even today ,when Paris honour DALAI LAMA, scuh anti "FRENCHMAN" sign is rarely rarely be seen. To me ,it is just like "F..K .." in NEW YORK's alley .

Given a senario, China honour BEN LADEN after 911,China support QUBEC spliting from Canada in 2010 winter Olympic,...Would then CHINA TOP MEDIA give such "F..K CHI."SIGN IN TOP NEWS? To show how naieve and racial the American is?

@Earthian

Well said.

For Chinese people, memories of what happened in the near past cannot be erased from their brains

Except for what the CCP did to its own people, nice to have a selective memory.

China support QUBEC spliting from Canada in 2010 winter Olympic

Why? Last time I check, no one's picture is being banned in Quebec, and no civilians are shot while trying to leave. Can you see the difference? Don't be blinded by tribalism, you are falling into the traps of your Big Brother government.

Maybe anti-BJ olympic guy should gave us a whole PACKAGE?include as follow:1 Democracy 2,Tibet,3..4..,, and sounds more organized? So,i will be more clear to knwo what we are talking about now.

As I know the chaos happend in some cities in torch route and China ,absoultely caused by "pro-tibet gov in exile" issue. If only the human right or democrate issue are rasied to anti-China ,i will be carm ,and at least would not go to steet.Just as I said,i don't like China gov and even went demo in 1989 in my 16.

And I also know American black man can share sweam pool with white person untiall long long ago (60s),and OTTWA police have not shot QUEBEC spliters 30 years long! (how do i know?just from american movie ,just like some people how to know now days china. am I wrong? tell me)

So ,as to human rights, american at least 30,40,or 200years ahead of China .hahahahah.
So,what can we Chinese do?

By the way,as to FREE AREA like S.korea,taiwan,or India, I GURANTEE very very few people in my hometown (east china city)like to emmigrant to.And their local people don't live better than us. Am i boasting?

So ,as to human rights, american at least 30,40,or 200years ahead of China .hahahahah.
So,what can we Chinese do?

By the way,as to FREE AREA like S.korea,taiwan,or India, I GURANTEE NOW DAYS very very few people in my hometown (east china city)like to emmigrant to.And these FREE COUNTRY people don't live better than us. Am i boasting?

http://forum.xinhuanet.com/detail.jsp?id=51489552&pg=6
These pictures are 100% common contry side recidencies in my provience.Not for poor home ,but also not for rich one. Just nomal,even maybe not belong to middle class.

Does they itch to be free because BJ olympic is the best or last chance for them ?to pursue the life as in S.korea,Tawan,HongKong,India(Maybe these area are also not Free compare to ...)

@ASingh:

I have much more respect for Martin Luther King, Mahatma Gandhi, mother Teresa. They earned respects all over the world because of their humanitarian work and advocate for poor and helpless.

I have no much interest in Dalai Lama before the Tibet riot, but I do believe we humans should respect all religions, and respect people of all diversities, including different race, gender, and ethnic background. Now after so many sleepless nights searching for information about Tibet and Dalai Lama, I formed my own opinion. I have more doubts on him than trust after learning Tibet’s history and some facts on Dalai Lama. How could Gandhi do things such as signed document to have human skin donated for Birthday? How could a man of non-violence, peace, love, compassion and compromise had betrayed his promise to the Chinese Central Government as government's representative and plotted guerrilla war using his followers’ life? How could a man of non-violence, peace, love, compassion and compromise associated with CIA, received pay from US government and involved in guerrilla war against other ethnic groups? The facts are not hard to find, just do some search on internet. (One of them:http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html, also the book from Goldstein, "The Snow Lion and the Dragon")

I won't call Patriotism in one country by one name and in another country by another name (‘Nationalism’, ‘Chauvinism’?). The trait of 'Chauvinism' is a better one than traitor after all. Remember that Obama is called by some opponents as traitor here?

It's true that China’s human rights record is far beyond perfect. As I stated, I believe China is heading in right direction and the pressure from outside will not solve the problem but make thing worse. It’s not in the best interest of Chinese people to alienate China’s government now, after they’ve been archiving so much progress in recent years. It's not in the best interest of all developed countries to alienate China, and corner China to move backward. It's in the best interest of all developed country to engage China and to bring China into the developed world.

You may hear so many voices about China threatening recent years. China is the one blamed for our trade deficit, but we need Chinese money to finance our debt from the war from Iraqi and Chinese cheap goods to contain our inflation. China is the best one to be blamed for taking our jobs, but we need higher paycheck and profitable companies here for our economy. I recommended the book from Amy Chau (Day of Empire: How Hyperpowers Rise to Global Dominance and Why They Fall) because I believe American need to understand the factors that have contributed to Hyperpowers’ status, and what as a nation with that status can do to stay in that power. Tolerance, humanity, acting in the best interest of the dominated is the best way to stay in power.

I believe the world hasn't forgotten about Tiananmen Square in 1989. The world witnessed blood shed that Chinese students made for human rights in China. How can you explain now the patriotic display now is 'Chauvinism' or 'traitor'? I would say that both the Chinese government and people have grown so much, no one can blame them for centering their agenda now on economic growth and gradually improve their human rights along with economic growth. Living rights, or living with dignity is the most basic human rights after all.

Posted by hypocrite | April 22, 2008 3:12 PM

I found this post really funny. Could not help but keep laughing.

jligy

His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is a man of peace. He is like King, Mendela and Mother Teresa. Mother Teresa and His Holiness were good friends as both lived in India. and shared common beliefs.

The Chinese media and education system over 40 years have demonised His Holiness quite unfairly.

There are elements within the CCP who want a dialog with him. However the at the moment the neo red guards are winning. So there is hope for peace, and reconcilation. The current hardline stance stoked with nationalism is not workable, is unethical and works against China in the long term.

The might or greatness of a nation is not forced through the barrell of a gun, rather when the people are proud to part of this ''imagined community'' (Benadict Anderson on nation), and this can only occur if the citizens are treated with respect, love, non-violence and respect for local culture.

However the current ''re-education'' and tanks in Tibet will succeed to brutally crush the Tibeteans physically, but will mentally distance themselves away from Being even further. That is not the trademark of a great nation.

Coming back to the dialog aspect let me explain -

The Cultural Revolution was initially led by Mao's appointed heir, Lin Biao, head of the PLA, and Mao's wife, Jiang. But mutual suspicion drew them apart. Lin died in a mysterious plane crash through suspected sabotage. The Cultural Revolution quickly degenerated into a power struggle, which, arguably, was Mao's hidden intent from the outset. As an ageing Mao lost grip, Jiang took control and the infamous Gang of Four emerged to ravage China.

When people gathered to pay homage to Zhou Enlai after his death in 1976 in Tiananmen Square, Jiang unleashed the army against them. That turned the tide against the Gang of Four. With Mao's death in the same year, 1976, the opponents rallied and removed the Gang of Four.

Deng assumed power in 1978 and ushered in economic reforms. With the return of the party leadership Red Guards leaders suffered heavily, spending long years in jail. Many blamed Jiang Quing and the Gang of Four for derailing the original purpose of the Cultural Revolution. One prominent Red Guard leader, Zhou Jiayu, was quoted saying: "We castigated the capitalist roaders for two years. They punished us for many more!"

However two Red Guards who kept a low profile did rather well for themselves. They are President Hu Jintao and Prime Minister Wen Jiabao. Not surprisingly this duo trained their guns on the powerful Shanghai group headed by former President Jiang Zemin.

With Hu Jintao himself in the midst of a silent power struggle inside China, complicated by Tibet, how much pressure can be put on him by reformers within the CCP to take a more gentle, ethical, workable and rational stance of talking to His Holiness to agree a mutually beneficial deal???

It seems that only chinese people in this blog and giving comments.
pls give me a link of blog or bbs where more pro-DaiLai and Tibet gov in exile.

It seems that only chinese people in this blog and giving comments.
pls give me a link of blog or bbs where more pro-DaiLai and Tibet gov in exile.

hangzhou07

Unfortunately, the blogging is only being done by Chinese Nationalists as they are on the defensive. As said earlier, this is being orchestrated by the CCP.

So no pro Tibet blogs needed. Their thoughts of freedom are in the minds of the whole world, who fully support and symphatise with them. His Holiness has supporters from over the world.

I won't argue with those posters here who

- claim they are Indian and got educated (or at least attended a few lectures) in London School of Economics and Political Sciences while writing crappy English and spending a lot more time posting here even than the bloggers themselves. (Well-educated Indian youngsters normally speak fluent English.) That is to say, I won't argue with dumb liars.

- are still living in the time of the Cold War and totally unaware of the real situation in today's China.

- are ignorant of politics and economics but have the guts to make "expert" comments on international political and economic issues.

When a dog barks at you, you'd better not bark back.

haha ,I found you !my english not good,so can not read fast. OK ,let me THE DEFENSIVE to read you ATTECTIVE material which support DALAI .HAAHHAHA

TO ASingh
I am going to work now,and come back 6,7hours later.
Not for completey argue with you,but also want to study sth.Some questions for you:
1.Do you think the series events in TORCH route and later happened in China is common,usuall,reasonable?
2.Apparently have 2 sides in this event,which is main conflict : free tibet ,free china,tibet independency,or sth else?

By the way ,Ancient Indian seperate to Indian ,Pakistan,MO..,so we have couple country in south Asia(maybe i wrong ,Indian has not been united ever?), China now seperate as Mainland,and Taiwan,and Engro-sexon occpy some continents,and EU has not been united at all.
So we have " MANY COUNTRYS", TO ATTACTIVE CHINA ,OR CHINA-GOV, and we "DENSIVE" ,only have TAIWAN seperated. Pay attention, all the "ATTACTIVE" people get news from these 3,4 media.
(...to be continued ,i must go work now).

Preview for August:
http://www1.appledaily.atnext.com/template/apple_sub/zoom.html?sec_id=38167&im=/images/apple-photos/apple_sub/20080423/large/23fan1p.jpg

"The Games have been intended to gain the whole world's attention -- on physical fitness and fairplay."

Too simple. We all know that the most important strategy, and value, of the current Chinese government is "harmony", "stability" and "scientific development", not "physical fitness" and "fair play". "Fair play" is particularly troublesome, as it is hard to do, and can lead to disharmony, which should be avoided like a plaque.

Therefore, we must assess the success of the Games based on "harmony" and "stability" of China.

The Games, of course, gave all 1.3 billion Chinese a single focus. No Chinese would ever dare to disagree that the Games must be a success. Therefore, that is one on the score board for "harmony - no disagreement whatsoever". And since every are working towards a successful game, keeping their heads down, and don't have any time to complain about anything. That's stability.

No, what is threatening "harmony" and "stability" in China now. There are some minor irrelevant blemish - the sky is not as blue as it can be, the price is rising a bit, there are a few unemployed college graduates, a few factories in Guangdong moved out of closed leaving several workers unemployed, one or two ponds and small streams are polluted, the air can smell a bit better, a few (very few) government officialls are not doing their job right 100%, a few acres of farmland was converted into industrial land (albeit making a lot of money), etc. etc. But the Chinese government is still not satisfied with so few minor problems, and continue their best to reduce the "disharmony" so created. And their effort in Games refocusing the Chinese public on the rediculous, unreasonable criticism from the western world certainly helped with the "stability" part.

Therefore, all in all, the Games is a great success, from all angles.

And of course, having built all these fine structures, roads, rails for the Games, providing millions of jobs to the people and financial opportunities for the officials, construction companies, material merchants, etc. are just icing on the cake.

Sara,

Got pissed today after reading the article about Chinese people waving flags at the Dalai Lama teachings.. how do you see that?

Sara, i have contempt for uncompassionate people everywhere, the US has more than its fair share of egnoranmous's and stupid fat people. Without a healthy belief in causality and karma most of the US is bi-polar without a stone to a make fire. Some good people out there and some really struggling...my meditation and lay Buddhist practice is helpful and keeps me real.

Bush was good for China till the price of gas got out of hand. But the government here with the republicans in control has had me seeing double for 8yrs. i still shake my head that the idiot was reelected.

Funny, i saw a rainbow in the western sky on the day of the 2nd Bush election. A clue into the future? I wish that a more progressive World will emerge next yr...i think it will

I was almost married to an Asian and i sincerely respect all people...especially the plight of women in 3rd world countries. Some Asians who seem to be plugged into to the Buddhist principles of morality even if they are not Buddhist are the ones i like the most!

Right now the light is on China and the olympics till August.

all of us have such a rich and beautiful spirit wrapped in a cocoon, hanging from a spiders web of our own making.

do we become eaten or do we fly away...?

i'll try to live a good life,
and wish we all can see the Sun another day...

Tibetan were freed from the slavery 50 years ago already. Most of the Tibetan in exile are slaveholders and Dalai Lama is the head of those slaveholders. It was the Chinese central government freed the Tibetan from the oppression by the slaveholder. Dalai Lama cannot represent the people in Tibet. He can only represent himself and those slaveholders exile.

If you do care about the Tibetan in Tibet, please do not support the claim by Dalai Lama to regain the control of Tibet. As the Dalai Lama and the slaveholders following him want to bring Tibet back to the theocracy society.

@Mac101
haha. edison should come back.

@Earthian
"(or at least attended a few lectures) in London School of Economics and Political Sciences while writing crappy English and spending a lot more time posting here even than the bloggers themselves."
HAHA. lmao.

@Simon and @Zhangsan
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/europe/23france.html?_r=1&ref=europe&oref=slogin

So it looks like the Parisian mayor, Bertrand Delanoë, is trying to become the leader of the opposition party in France. That may explain the internal problems and mixed messages that have been coming from the French government. It's almost as if Sarkozy is handicapped.

Additionally, the final paragraph of the link surprised me. I didn't realize that France will rotate into the EU presidency during the Olympics. They should probably take a bolder stance, either pro- or anti-Olympics, to set a tone for the rest of Europe.

cap'n crunch, you're an acute observer.
"The important issue is how the entire problem has changed from Tibet to

Chinese citizens vs. the west."
Very well said. If they want some positive results from China, they should try to

build a constructive relationship with China. To poison the atomosphere of the

Olympics is simply not the way to do it. But some stupid media and activisits

don't know this or they choose to ignore this. They continue to make noise and

enrage China and the Chinese people to get a larger viewership or crtical

funding. They never sees the bigger picture.

Jeff, you're right.
"don't have to keep CCP, but they can't lose control of Tibet."
The Chinese can't loose the huge opportunity of the Olympics either. They want

to make sure they are finnally treated as equals and the dark memories will

never come back to huant them. That's why boycotting the Olympics and

disrupting the torch relay have driven so many Chinese carzy. The anger is real,

the delusion is real, and the nationlist sentiments are a natural thing to follow.
BTW, these frustrated Chinese are not only young men or young women.

Actually, most of Chinse people, no matter how old they are, feel quite strongly

about issues like Tibet and the Olympics.

Drew, as you confess, you're ignorant.
"I do not understand Chinese nationalism."
"In China, it's not that people have extreme nationalist views that surprises me,

it is the attitude towards dialogue, that is, that any kind of discussion is bad.

Why?"

This is clearly an insult to all the peace-loving Chinese people. We want

diolgue, but we will never negotiate about separating Tibet from China. You

mean genuine autonomy? Come on, please, what does that mean? You want

diolgue? Oh, how sweet it that! But do you have to attack an one-legged

Chinese athlete to try to start a dialogue? You try to harass, embarass and

humiliate us to start a dialogue. Are you out of your minds?

Again, let me tell you. I and most of my friends read your dear Western

newspapers and magazines like TIME, Newsweek and BusinessWeek. We also

watch CNN, BBC, CNBC and Bloomberg. You want to tell me I'm an idiot

brainwashed by the government? You're just an idiot! Did you ever read China

Daily or Xinhua news agency? I doubt it. You, like most arrogant Westerners

will say: this is propaganda and that is propaganda, blabla. The fact is I have

adequate access to your version of the story, but you just have so limited acess

to the Chinese version. That's why you don't understand the Chinese people and

continue to mis-interprete their intentions.

This is my country, this is my people and this is my life. No matter how many

bad things you're saying about them, I'll never side with you. Different opinions

are always welcome. You can check how many times the Chinese foreign

ministry has said so. We want constructive recommendations, not false

accusations, or HATE comments.

Drew, as you confess, you're ignorant.
"I do not understand Chinese nationalism."
"In China, it's not that people have extreme nationalist views that surprises me,

it is the attitude towards dialogue, that is, that any kind of discussion is bad.

Why?"

This is clearly an insult to all the peace-loving Chinese people. We want

diolgue, but we will never negotiate about separating Tibet from China. You

mean genuine autonomy? Come on, please, what does that mean? You want

diolgue? Oh, how sweet it that! But do you have to attack an one-legged

Chinese athlete to try to start a dialogue? You try to harass, embarass and

humiliate us to start a dialogue. Are you out of your minds?

Again, let me tell you. I and most of my friends read your dear Western

newspapers and magazines like TIME, Newsweek and BusinessWeek. We also

watch CNN, BBC, CNBC and Bloomberg. You want to tell me I'm an idiot

brainwashed by the government? You're just an idiot! Did you ever read China

Daily or Xinhua news agency? I doubt it. You, like most arrogant Westerners

will say: this is propaganda and that is propaganda, blabla. The fact is I have

adequate access to your version of the story, but you just have so limited acess

to the Chinese version. That's why you don't understand the Chinese people and

continue to mis-interprete their intentions.

This is my country, this is my people and this is my life. No matter how many

bad things you're saying about them, I'll never side with you. Different opinions

are always welcome. You can check how many times the Chinese foreign

ministry has said so. We want constructive recommendations, not false

accusations, or HATE comments.

ASing, it really surprises me you've done a lot of research on China issues. You certainly deserve some credit for that. But that's not enough, because your comments are smelling of Wikipedia or some other English sources. Come and learn Chinese and read more.

Then, I also senses there is strong cold war sentiments in your comments. Please, mister, wake up please, and welcoem to the 21st century. The cold war was over more than 20 years ago and the cultural revolution was over some 30 years ago.

Your information is outdated and you're fooled by them. The Chinese capital updates its metropolitan map every six weeks. Do you still believe some 20-or-30-year-old information will help you win an arguement with the Chinese?

ASing:
"Unfortunately, the blogging is only being done by Chinese Nationalists as they are on the defensive. As said earlier, this is being orchestrated by the CCP."

Hey baby, don't be stupid. I'm typing here in my office at lunch time. You tell me who ochestrates my action? I'm tired of biased comments and false accusations. I just can't resist the impulse to fight back. This is spontaneous. Do you understand this?

"So no pro Tibet blogs needed. Their thoughts of freedom are in the minds of the whole world, who fully support and symphatise with them. His Holiness has supporters from over the world."

Yeah, that says everything about yourself. You're a damned loyal follower of the Dalai Lama. That's why you continue to argue against facts and in the wrong direction. You love the Dalai Lama, and I tell you that's ok. But if you side with him and try to embarrass and demonize China and the Chinese people, that's another thing, and I'll strike back hard.

You refer to the Dalai Lama as a Holy Figure, I respect that. But you have to understand not everyone treats him that way. In my opinion, he is just a politician in a monk's robe and Prada shoes! The nobel peace laureate? That's joke. After 1989, the Western world was desperate to embarrass China and they created this myth about the Ladai Lama. I'm sorry to tell you most Chinese people just don't buy into that myth.

John Smith

You've done your homework. You've successfully portrayed China as a developing country with so many internal difficulties. Both the government and the mass of China are well aware of those difficulties. That is why China is still widely acknowledged as a developing country, and why the Chinese people are desperately striding towards a peaceful rise and a harmonious society. You have every right to mock at others' difficulties. And I reserve my right to ignore or crack down evil-hearted persons.

The Chinese government has successfully made its people, including Tibetans, hundreds of times wealthier than before in a short period of time. Now the incumbent government begins to address those obstacles of development and deviates its focus from economic growth to overal societal balance. Its objective is "turning China into a prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced and harmonious modern socialist country", which "puts people first as its core and takes comprehensive, balanced and sustainable growth as its basic requirement and overall consideration as its fundamental approach". What on earth is wrong with that?

This prelude of this year's Olympics has already seen both harmony and disharmony in China. The harmonious factor is that Chinese people, including the 55 minority ethnic groups, have shown their unanimous support for the Games -- one of the good things in this corrupted world that should be celebrated but not hijacked. The disharmony refers to the fact that some people are attempting to undermine the country's sovereignty by means of looting, arson and killing. What's worse, they did this under the coat of religion. No matter whether it is harmony of disharmony, it is the real China, and it is what we would like to show the world by hosting the Games. We would like to show that we have achieved a lot and we have more to achieve; we have developed the eastern coastal areas of this country to a certain standard, and we want the less developed inland parts of this country to catch up with their coastal counterparts as soon as possible.

@dragonseed4

You mentioned the freedom of movement/travel as a basic freedom.

Granted. As a Chinese American, I treasure this right tremendously, too.

However - in China - to preserve social stability, it may not always make sense. The city cannot absorb that many people in so short a time!

And you know - in the U.S., there is another right that is even more important (at least emotionally charged) than the right to travel - and that is the all important right to reproductive freedom (a right upon which Roe v. Wade is based). You can call that the Grand Daddy of all personal freedoms in American politics.

But guess what - China has a 1 child policy - it does not have that freedom. Does that mean China is backward and lack human rights?

No! It is a great blessing that China has the 1 child policy (which by the way, does not apply to minority ethnicities such as Tibetan Chinese)! If not for the 1 child policy - China would be a perpetually shackled to eternal poverty.

Here is the point: what makes a "right" in one society doesn't always necessarily make sense in another.

I am not giving the CCP a blank check on "human rights." But people need to see beyond the current rhetoric and ideology of "human rights," and understand what human rights is really about.

This current politicizing of "human rights" to bash China is disgusting.

smiling eyes that cannot see,

Thou the rivers here a polluted, tainted by ambitious corporations; is there a babbling brook in china that you all drink out of like perrier in france. Old concepts and ideas appear like week old pick tulips that need to be thrown away... or do you use plastic.

The Tibetan issue will not go away and will always be how the world of 5 billion will see china. the pretty bird nest will become a metaphor for torture, suffering and ignorance to reform.

Let's leave this website.

I find myself too silly to give comments here hours ago . Who care Tibet and Tibetn people? ONLY WE CHINESE !
They know it for sure,we should not argue with them any more.

The "Pro-DaLai people"in Paris are just bored with Olympic Torch activity ,the creative people are so excited to watch CIA-directed clown show,and they happy to act as clown too. FOR FUN.
So why we spend more energy to against those clown?

Who knows Tibet well like us? Of cours not those clown. But do CNN editors,and some MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE in the world.They DO know everything like us,but they care more OIL RIGHT than HUMAN RIGHT.
Just like what they directed in IRAQ,IRAN,YOGOSLAVIA ...

Argue with the clown and directors on this issue ,is meaningless.

hangyouself,

if the shoe fits wear it, good by...we will call this the anti chia pet blog

ok, singh, give me ur msn(muahahaha...). It is not feasible. U are often not accurate in whom u refer to. I feel that ur "Han chauvinists" r directed at all the Chinese readers here because the supposed Han Chauvinists don't even read these things. Go leave ur comments at a site where "Han Chauvinists" visit.

oaiqnain

Isnt Han Chauvenism the only justification for the military occupation of Tibet? The Han man's burden to develop the backward Tibeteans?

Would be nice to know your thoughts.

By the way, I am no China or Han hater. e.g. You seem like a nice person.

But feel Communist Imperialists who want to colonise the free world deserve to pushed back, and a hard line must be taken on them.

It is unfair that I am being labelled as an anti China person. I am pro-China.

I am neither a political or spiritual follower of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama. Neither am a follower of Nelson Mendala, Gandhi or Mother Teresa.

But all these people such as Nelson Mendala, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and Mother Teresa are great people of this century.

They are all people of peace, reconcilation, love, compassion and TRUTH.

hahaha, lol
"But feel Communist Imperialists who want to colonise the free world deserve to pushed back, and a hard line must be taken on them."

SIR, just tell me how can I wake you up! I'd give you one million Japanese yen for that. OR are you working for the Pentagon?

Ok, you are pro-China. But I don't see any of your comments indicate that.

"But all these people such as Nelson Mendala, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and Mother Teresa are great people of this century."

With the exception of the Dalai Lama, I can't agree with you more. I love Mr. Mandala. A famouse pop-culture Chinese band named Beyond once had a very passionate song entiled The Glorious Days dedicated to Mr. Mandala and his days fighting the Apartheid. I was a kid at that time and I was moved by the song. I can still sing it, although the singer passed away in an accident.

You look like a nice person too. ^_^ The only problem is that you seem get too much information from CNN or Wikipedia. You're a kind-hearted person but somehow midled by Western media organizations.

You can check what Western media have said about India. It's always about poor infrastruture, exhausting beaucracy and overpopulation, bla,bla.

No, I know India is much better than that. You've have a vibrant democracy and a booming economy. Despite all those negative things that can be found in a developing country, India is overall a great nation. You have a wonderful poeple who can spea