The Dignity of the Torch: II

violence is certainly wrong, those students should apologize somehow, but we got to know who started all these shixxtty mess. I don't like extremist on either side, but so far, a little scuffle doesn't really mean that much comparing with 22 lives lost in the riots. well of course we hope things will stop at this level, and you time correspondents should stop bitching about all this shieet.

The china news run by the lunatic fringe of the government serve only the needs of the party in power.

chinese nationalist could wave their flag everywhere in the free world, yet in china only;

ONE TORCH~ONE DREAM~ONE FLAG

you have no freedom of speech in your country and have to leave the country to find a identity.

It appears the government has given a green light to pro communist rioting by students overseas.

this will speed up the end process of;

THE BURNING RED DREAM

WawOH, WawOH
You are really right, especially the sentence "violence is violence, and physical violence is inexcusable."

Hence, the violence that happened in 3.14 is inexcusable, as your opinion, right?
And, the violence that Tibetan separatist killed so many ordinary civilians is also inexcusable, as your opinion, right?
What's more, the violence that pro-Tibet independence demonstrators beat and hurt Chinese students is no doubt inexcusable, as your opinion, right?

I helped you improve your conclusion and you do not need to thank me:) because you are welcome.

if the west want one peaceful, prosperous and stable China, and now i think they failed this time... ...

and I wish our students is ok...

"About 1000 Chinese students violently attacked anti-North Korea and pro-Tibet independence demonstrators, as well as the police. "At least one person was injured and taken to the hospital", according to Bloomberg news."
About 1000 Chinese students attacking protestors. Only 1 hurt. You western media prostitute. How much did they pay you to report like this

"About 1000 Chinese students attacking protestors. Only 1 hurt".

Just imagine a 1000 foreign students attacking one Chinese student in Beijing. What would you say?

One student was attacked at his own country (South Korea) by a 1000 foreign students (Chinese).

More than 100 village children sold to work as slave labourers in the booming southern province of Guangdong were discovered by Human Rights activists.

The children, from the ethnic Yi minority, came from poor families in Sichuan about 600 miles ( 960 km) away.

It emerged that hundreds of poor farmers, children and mentally disabled people had been forced to work in mines and kilns in Shanxi province and neighbouring Henan.

The BBC's Dan Griffiths, in Beijing, says the latest incident highlights the dark side of China's economic miracle, and according to unconfirmed media reports there may be more than 1,000 child labourers in at least one city in southern China.

Read: THE SMALL HANDS OF SLAVERY
Bonded Child Labor In India

India has the honor to have the largest amount of Child labors on this planet.

oops, forgot to post the link of 'The small hands of slavery, bonded child labor in india'

http://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India3.htm

the chinese students who attack innocent people are just a bunch of goon and thugs, like their politcal masters.

There is enough evidence to implicate the chinese govt in this, whose embassies have been instructuring Chinese students worldwide to go and protest. The embassy provides students with free transport, food, and free flags.

This article seems to be qutie persuasive to many. But what I want to say is that the young Chinese who are considered "nationalist" here (I've sensed a tinge of derogatoriness) are always depicted as a mad, fanatical, unreasonable,even brainwashed and ruthless group, which should be laughed at because of their utter naiveness towards their government. This is biased at all. You, a seem-to-be highly-educated,aware-of-everything-true "morality teacher" wrote much but to the point. You ignored the reasons why they "went nuts" regardless of the pro-Tibetans' and Olympic Torch Relay breakers' "righteous demands". What they did is just for the dignity of Olympic Spirit and the righteousness of the world, in a little ultra way just out of extreme anger. I thought Western media responsible, I thought Western media trust-worthy, I thought Western media truth-telling. But the reports after this incident really disappointed me. The West, only a small part of the world indeed, holding a noisy loudspeaker(their massive media), are always "standing highly and speaking faultlessly" no matter whether what they say is truth or not, as if what they say represent the voice of the world, making some blind West-Life worshipers even more blind. Meanwhile, the third world(China included), quite a big part of the world, holding just a minimicrophone, are always "brainwashing" their own people even what say is truth. You shouldn't get too blind by such a campaign launched by some really-ulterior-motives-holding groups. I always wonder whosoever on earth get brainwashed? I really have no idea about that.

Orsino:

Thanks for informing me of slavery in India - I will inform the govt about it, and could you do the same.

But slave labour in China is the biggest industry - prisoners, ethnic minorites and dissidents are all forced into forced labour.

There is no moral equivalence between comparing a democracy and dictatorships.

I think you should help all the chinese who are facing hunger, forced labour and slave labour in China.

It is ok for "What they did is just for the dignity of Olympic Spirit and the righteousness of the world, in a little ultra way just out of extreme anger"

But it is not ok for the Tibetans to show their anger after 50 years of oppression!

I agree with Simon's point.

Chinese have a lot to learn from the west.

Showing anger is the worst way to express opinion.

Anyone heard "knife behind a smiling face"?

I say all the countries should start deporting these Chinese back to their beloved homeland since they love their country so much that they resort to damn violence! I mean if South Korea doesn't do anything about these, they're must be scared of the Chinese government.

To GW

Please use your brains.

The feasibility "About 1000 Chinese students violently attacked anti-North Korea and pro-Tibet independence demonstrators, as well as the police" and only 1 person being hurt is a typical example of writing that shows how biased the western media.

I can assure you that if 1000 people violently attacked a crowd of people there would not be only 1 casualty. Get my point!!!!!!!

"but we got to know who started all these shixxtty mess. "

Yes. 1951 and 1967. Hans went into Tibet and torn down temples, monasteries and nunneries, kicked out the lamas and nuns, forbid young boys to join the monasteries, and forced economic, commercial and industrial development to Tibetans who rather have religion. The last straw was the desecrating the land in Tibet by that railway.

That's how all this mess was started.

Sorry. I don't see your point. It is ok for one side to show their anger because some one showed some disagreement, but is is not ok for others to show their anger for being oppressed for over 50 years within their own country!

I wish those Chinese students would show the same courage towards Chinese gov's bias in Beijing!

"Thanks for informing me of slavery in India - I will inform the govt about it, and could you do the same.

But slave labour in China is the biggest industry - prisoners, ethnic minorites and dissidents are all forced into forced labour."

Slavery anywhere is wrong, especially in the US and India. Therefore, we must praise Chinese effort of slavery. That's because we must use a lower standard to judge China than those we use to judge US and India.

There are reasons for slavery in China:

1. China is so large, with 1.3 billion people. Anything can happen. (subtext: And the government is just too powerless to do anything about it.)

2. China has 5000 years of history, much longer than any other country (except Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Greece,...)

3. Since China opened and developed, China has improved a lot.

4. US did it too!! (China must be at least as bad as US.

5. The US did it to China. It is all their fault. The US want cheap goods, and necessitates Chinese exploitation of Chinese child labour. China is not a partner in this crime.

6. European imperialism invaded and weaken China.

And these are the reasons for these recent stories of slavery in China:

The most recent one I read about was this week, in Dongguan, Guangdong. Boys and girls were enslaved in Dongguan. But that's par for China, the greatest civilization on earth. And of course, the government officials "just discovered" the best example of modern slavery. These slaves are not prisoners, ethnic minorities (all Hans), and dissidents. These are just boys and girls.

Oh, remember the slave labours "discovered" in Henan ? Those were handicapped children.

And I read a story yesterday about a boy who said:"My father sold me to slavery. I don't wan t to go home". And that just happened in Guangdong too. And that's the product of 5000 years of culture and history.

If 1000 people VIOLENTLY attacked a group of people there definitely would NOT only be 1 casualty.

Actually if 1000 people VIOLENTLY attacked 1 person AS REPORTED BY LIN YANG I would expect him to die.

On one hand, it is true that violent demonstration is wrong. Mainland Chinese in general need to learn to take criticism better. See, even George Bush made fun of himself and his party during annual Correspondents' dinner! When is the Chinese leadership going to learn to make fun of themselves?

On the other hand, the media does seem to specialize in picking on bad Chinese behavior. Violent behavior by hot-headed youngsters is not limited to Chinese. Has anyone heard of British, French or Italian football hooligans? Just last week, Montreal Canadian hockey fans burned police squad cars and looted stores after their own team WON. And wait a minute, didn't South Korean farmers staged a violent protests in Hong Kong last year during the WTO conference. What did the South Korea do about that?

So, why does the media focus only on bad Chinese behavior? What about bad Canadian hockey fans' behavior? Fair-minded people wonders...

Let me repeat my point!

It is acceptable for one group of people (the Chinese students) to express their anger physically over some disagreement by the others (Korean people),
but it is not ok for the other group of people (the Tibetans) to express their anger physically for being oppressed for 50 years!

"Mainland Chinese in general need to learn to take criticism better."

Are you kidding ? China has 5000 years of history and Chinese has always taken criticism the same way for 5000 years, and China is still there. There is no need to change that attitude at all. It is perfect for the current situation in China. This is the Chinese characteristics they've been talking about !!!

Correction. Let me repeat your point!

"So, why does the media focus only on bad Chinese behavior? What about bad Canadian hockey fans' behavior? Fair-minded people wonders..."

That's because no one on earth, other than then beer drinking hockey fans in Canada, cares about hockey in Canada, much less how those crazy Canadians behave. And Canadian hockey crazies don't go around the world beating other people up. They only do that in Canada.

You want world exposure ? You've got world exposure. And Canadian hockey fans just want to beat up the other guy, with no world famous dream. So, what's there to report. Moreover, it is an annual event. It happens every year. Right about now. But the Chinese had waited for this Games for 5000 years. That's an event of interest, especially to the Chinese.

By the same token it is OK for Chinese people to also protest.

The Brits gave independance to Tibet without acknowledgement from the Chinese Government.

China was doped with Opium by the Brits for hundreds years and carved up like melon by 8 nation alliance of Britain, Germany, France, USA, Austria, Italy Japan and Russia.
At least 40 million Chinese people were doped.
Now you wonder why the Chinese Govt is frenetic about their borders

"On the other hand, the media does seem to specialize in picking on bad Chinese behavior."

And that's because there are a lot of Chinese (1.3 billion of them), and there are a lot of bad behaviour. When that combined together, it trumps bad behaviour of any other nation. Furthermore, Chinese want to be notice, and that's why the loudness when they talk. You can hear them from rooms away in museums and galleries. When the notoriety added to the high frequency of observation, you get higher rate of reports.

Just like the press, especially Chinese press, always pick on US gun troubles. Just because there are more of them. And they are loud.

"By the same token it is OK for Chinese people to also protest".
Why is it not ok for the Tibetans to protest?
Why would Chinese do to the Tibetans what the other countries did to Chinese?
BOTH ARE WRONG and should be Condemned!

Thank you for that. That is why I expect the media to report both sides of the story.

How can you report both sides if one side wouldn't let you get the news?

damn, Simon Elegant, it's u again......

大家好！！

我现在在构思一首诗，并想把这首诗作为我在china blog的签名。当然，是用英语。

这首诗是赞扬我们思维活跃的little scrappy Simon Elegant 同学的。

请大家给我一些灵感，提醒我一些好词好句。

谢谢大家！！

大家好！！

我现在在构思一首诗，并想把这首诗作为我在china blog的签名。当然，是用英语。

这首诗是赞扬我们思维活跃的little scrappy Simon Elegant 同学的。

当然，我也想把John Smith和 A-Singh 两位同学一起捎带着歌颂一下。（顺便问一下，A-Singh 是阿三吗？就是天天吃咖喱的那些人？）

请大家给我一些灵感，提醒我一些好词好句。词句不必长，但要经典。也不要f word,这些词已经不够来赞扬它们了。

谢谢大家！！

大家好！！

我现在在构思一首诗，并想把这首诗作为我在china blog的签名。当然，是用英语。

这首诗是赞扬我们思维活跃的little scrappy Simon Elegant 同学的。

当然，我也想把John Smith和 A-Singh 两位同学一起捎带着歌颂一下。（顺便问一下，A-Singh 是阿三吗？就是天天吃咖喱的那些人？）

请大家给我一些灵感，提醒我一些好词好句。词句不必长，但要经典。也不要f word,这些词已经不够来赞扬它们了。

谢谢大家！！

这个simon纯粹是个白人种族主义者，让他得瑟去吧。这种人唯恐天下不乱，好靠此挣钱。

Don River says "So, why does the media focus only on bad Chinese behavior? What about bad Canadian hockey fans' behavior? Fair-minded people wonders..." Do you know you TOTALLY contracted yourself?! I assume your knowledge of all the other events you mention such as the Montreal riots were from the western media? (If I'm wrong, I apologize.)

那些奋战在前线の勇士们,奋力阐明你们正义的观点已足矣. 我ADvise你们不要和那些SUPER脑残智障の人士费吐沫"星",真的浪费你们TREARure般的时间,咱们Patriotic,让别人说去吧! 哈哈哈哇哈哈哈!!!

Jay: of course, the local Canadian media reported the Montreal riot last week. But you don't hear the international media mentioned it at all. In contrast, a few Chinese throwing bottles in S. Korea became an international sensation and a diplomatic flash point.

I find that quite unbalanced, especially since the South Korean farmers specialize in going around staging violent protests in other countries (including Hong Kong).

Simon,

There are always two sides in every story. Why do you Western media always take one side?

http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/sport/1/125374.shtml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32yzWWIZGr8

You know, it doesn't really matter who started what. If you keep answering violence with violence, all you get is a cycle of escalation where everyone ends up losing their humanity (if not their lives).

At some point EVERYONE has a choice to step back and say "Wait a minute... is this right?" The Tibetians had that opportunity, the anti-Chinese protestors in London and Paris had it, and the Chinese students had it. And none of them took that opportunity.

So now we're left with an ever more violent cycle of escalation, which will not only probably ruin the Olympics, but effectively kill whatever goodwill is left towards China in the rest of the world.

And that seriously sucks.

"The West, only a small part of the world indeed, holding a noisy loudspeaker(their massive media), are always "standing highly and speaking faultlessly" no matter whether what they say is truth or not"

Does the shoe fit for the Chinese media? Or are you too blind or too embarassed to make the comparison. Or is it a case of only we Chinese can critize our government? Do you realize that CNN has called western politicians worse names than goons and thugs. It is one broadcaster's opinion. Chill out. That is freedom of expression, a concept you clearly do not understand.

Did you know what names the Chinese government call Pelosi or the Dalai Lama? Look it up. They can dish out but cannot take it. How about that for double standard.

The latest incident of underaged laborers working in slavery conditions are from the Yi minority tribe. I guess they forget that the Chinese government gives special priveleges to minorities, one of them being exemption from one-child policy. Just window dressing to me. Are the minorties really being taken care of? As the Chinese themselves often describe it the government is putting on a show.

Always cracks me up when during national congress or similar functions, the minorities are required to wear their native costumes regardless of the setting or weather conditions in the middle of Bejing. Just like a stage show for tourist, image is everything for the CCP that has no more ideals, but only money politics and nationalism to fall back on.

Believe me, the Olympics is much more important for the Party than the Chinese people. The Chinese people does not have to prove anything to the world, but the Party certainly does.

I do wish that hot-headed youngsters in all countries involved just cool down a bit, whether pro- or against Tibet, China, or what-have-you.

More artistic and cultural exchanges, please. Music and art always help one to appreciate another culture better. Please, we need more beauty in the world, not more violence and arguments.

Based on the evidence in the links I posted above, wouldn't you say that the Chinese students were provoked and framed?

That would be much more news worthy, wouldn't you say so, Mr. Elegant?

There is so much noise in the commentary of this blog, but so little intelligence. You all seem so dead set on your respective viewpoints being right and good. You all point to single incidents and say, "Aha, this proves my point!" Another will come along and say "you dumbsh*t, what about this incident or that incident? You're obviously wrong."

Funny, after millions of years of evolution and the constant repetition of this inane human drama of ours, we still have not caught on to the concept of "subjectivity." That the truth we perceive is only one version of the truth. In all actuality, truth is one of the most dangerous words in any language. Truth implies that it cannot be wrong. How can something truthful also be untruthful? Yet it happens everyday.

Here's an idea. How about we all shut up and sit down and acknowledge that our viewpoints are just that - how WE view a situation and NOT the universal truth. Our viewpoints are shaped by what we experience and what we see. It is IMPOSSIBLE for any one person to know everything and to experience everything in order to come even close to distilling the so-called TRUTH of the matter.

So instead of having a constructive dialogue exposing each other to different facets of the situation, so that we may all learn, we choose to sit here, IMMOVABLE, and throw expletives and hatred at each other.

Its easy to take a side. Any idiot can take a side - and you all seem to be doing that quite well - being idiots that is. If you are truly as intelligent as you all think we are, do something to show this. It does NOT start with the other person first, it starts with each and everyone of us.

Violance are never acceptable; and lies to incite violance are even more reprehensible. Dalai's and the "Free Tibet" lies about the Lasha riot is exposed, however mildly, in the following article in Los Angeles Times:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-monks30apr30,1,5031677.story

Why would anyone with critical thinking believe anything put out by the Dalai and his associates? Wait, wait, wait, someone (maybe simon or lin) is going to claim that this is a conspiracy by the Chinese and "peace loving" Dalai was duped...

I wouldn't want to be on the side that lies...

And yes, lest some of you think I am unaware of the subtle irony of me trying to impose my view of a truth on all of you, while saying that there is no universal truth and everything is subjective, I am very aware of this.

If you would like, please post your address so that I may send you a cookie for your brilliance.

To chuck:

I do not think that they really believe everything DL and his officials said. But the thing is, they enjoy standing with them to do something anti-China togeher. I used to ask the "mao tse tune" above in the comments of a previous blog article here: why would you like to defend DL and his officals, even if, you already know they were such brutal slave masters since a long time ago? Guess what, this "mao tse tune" just pretended not seeing this question, but still kept posting anti-China comments.

After being showed some pictures indicating the brutalness of the Tibetan slavery under DL's rule before CCP, many of my neighbors and western friends were quite shocked. Some of them told me that they would never hear anything from DL again.

So, it was clear that this "mao tse tune" and many people here just want to do something anti-China and even do not care whom they are going to it with?

我的诗写好啦！！！

请大家提提意见，帮我改一下语法错误，谢谢。

啊！！

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Our beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,

I felt eternal gratitude to you for taking heed of the developing China,
our brainwashed perspective arouses your compassion.

I fell in love with your
miraculous selective blindness,

Beg you, my beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,
pray for your mercy, my beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,
initiate me the incantation
that enables me to always only look one side of a coin.

I am on behalf of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking,
I beseech your forgiveness.
Since you have proved that in the entire universe,
there is a legendary dimension
where a coin can only have one side.

I pray for your mercy, beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,
Take me to the only-one-side-coin universe!

啊！！
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有意思，，，看看这个先。金融时报（中国）。。。

中国正在自我封闭中？
interesting, to see this ..Financial Time(china)..
sorry, this is no english version...

http://www.ftchinese.com/sc/story.jsp?id=001018972&pos=TOP10_HOMEPAGE&pa1=7

and,well done, bravo... Wstern...

cold war.how a U?..

this is the poem i wrote for Simon Elegant, to express my passion to our beloved Simon Elegant.

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啊！！

Our beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,

I felt eternal gratitude to you for taking heed of the developing China,
our brainwashed perspective arouses your compassion.

I fell in love with your
miraculous selective blindness,

Beg you, my beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,
pray for your mercy, my beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,
initiate me the incantation
that enables me to always only look one side of a coin.

I am on behalf of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking,
I beseech your forgiveness.
Since you have proved that in the entire universe,
there is a legendary dimension
where a coin can only have one side.

I pray for your mercy, beloved little scrappy Simon Elegant,
Take me to the only-one-side-coin universe!

啊！！
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@Simon Elegant

I believe the protesters who injured the Korean ought to be brought to justice under Korean law.

You are indeed a capitalistic media slut - we know you will hype this incident to hopefully get the Koreans and the Chinese to not like each other. Don't worry - the Koreans are way too upset at the U.S.'s heavy-handedness towards the North.

Austin Ramsey's post was much better, but you have to post this junk by a Lin Yang - "About 1000 Chinese students violently attacked anti-North Korea and pro-Tibet independence demonstrators, as well as the police."

Your readers are falling off their chairs because the death and destruction of the 3/14/08 riot was somehow not "violent" in your vocabulary.

Look, we know you know how absurd this is. These types of incitement by that Lin Yang will likely give him/her a lot of grief down the road in China. Lin Yang is an expandable TIME misinformation slut, no?

@TIME readers

I highly recommend you read this article by a Floyd Rudmin at Common Dreams. This is a non-profit American citizens organization dedicated to furthering the cause of American interests.

"The Hypocrisy and Danger of Anti-China Demonstrations"

http://www.thechinesecentury.org/2008/04/commondreamsorg-writes-hypocrisy-and.html

Doesn't matter what country your real allegiance is towards, Common Dreams (imho) make important contributions in terms what's important to every country.

@Sara

I hope more people on this planet think like you do.

When 911 happened, people (here in the West) focused on the attack, not the underlying cause.

When March 2008 happened, people (here in the West) focused on alleged underlying cause, not on the violence.

People have a right to be partial, but when they do so in the name of "human rights," they decrease the universality of such "rights."

Go back and look at the history again of: Kosovo, East Timor, Palestine/Israel, Cambodia, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Rwanda, Somalia, Yugoslavia, ...

If you are truly impartial, you will not select which "violence" to pick on. You will instead be concerned with:

Does it make better sense to freeze the violence today, or would this only create the seed of more violent conflicts in the future?

Should we empower a weak party to fight back to place or would empowering a weak only fragment the power base and drag on the conflicts?

Should we support a central government which would impose order and stability or would the central government only be empowered and emboldened to carry out further atrocities?

Does political fragmentation along ethnic and religious lines really lead to a more stable and "humane" world in the long term or would a strong multi-pluralistic government be better?

"When 911 happened, people (here in the West) focused on the attack, not the underlying cause.

When March 2008 happened, people (here in the West) focused on alleged underlying cause, not on the violence."

When 911 happened, people (here in the west, a lot of people) knew the cause of the attack : US foreign policy!

When March 2008 happened, people (here in the west, a lot of people) knew the cause : Chines domestic policy!

That's why you see 100,000+ people go to Washington DC to march against US foreign policy over and over!

See any Chinese go to Beijing march against Chinese domestic policy?

"See any Chinese go to Beijing march against Chinese domestic policy?"

Yes, in 1989. And you knew what happened.

John Smith said: ''We must use a lower standard to judge China than those we use to judge US and India.''

I agree with John's comments. John and I agree on the concept of moral equivalence, that is applying to ourselves more stringent rules that we use to judge others.

Clearly the Chinese dont have a leg to stand on on this issue.

For the Chinese readers, when analysing opposing views on anything ranging from Tibet, Human Rights, CCP:

(1) Facts matter, even if we do not like them.

(2) Elementary moral principles matter, even if they have consequences that we would prefer not to face.

(3) Relative clarity matters. It is pointless to seek a truly precise definition of “Chinese Nationalism terror,” or of any other concept outside of the hard sciences and mathematics, often even there. But we should seek enough clarity at least to distinguish state terror from two notions that lie uneasily at its borders: aggression and legitimate resistance.

If we accept these guidelines, there are quite constructive ways to deal with the problems of state terrorism in Tibet/Xinjiang, which are quite severe. It’s commonly claimed that critics of ongoing policies do not present solutions. Check the record, and I think you will find that there is an accurate translation for that charge: “They present solutions, but I don’t like them.”

These are a few of the relevant facts, and they definitely do matter. Let’s turn to the second of the guidelines: elementary moral principles. The most elementary is a virtual truism: decent people apply to themselves the same standards that they apply to others, if not more stringent ones.

Adherence to this principle of universality would have many useful consequences. For one thing, it would save a lot of trees. The principle would radically reduce published reporting and commentary on social and political affairs. It would virtually eliminate the need for Chinese Nationalism.

And it would wipe the slate almost clean with regard to Chinese terror. The reason is the same in all cases: the principle of universality is rejected, for the most part tacitly, though sometimes explicitly. Those are very sweeping statements.

I purposely put them in a stark form to invite you to challenge them, and I hope you do. You will find, I think, that although the statements are somewhat overdrawn – purposely -- they nevertheless are uncomfortably close to accurate, and in fact very fully documented. But try for yourselves and see.

To summarize ASingh's points:

(1) A-Singh matters
(2) A-Singh matters
(3) A-Singh matters

To A Singh

I think it is your moral responsibility to protest violently over the 6 year Indian girl for being thrown on burning embers because she, an untouchable, walked on the wrong path.

When Simon Elegant talks about Muslim in China, did he always forget that the biggest Muslim group is Hui people? We have NinXia Hui Autonomous Region.
As from my personal experience, even during the 1970s and 1980s, minority ethnic Chinese have been treated preferentially than Han people. I would support Chinese government on this issue and believe what described by most western media about so-called persecution and oppression on minority ethnic Chinese by CCP is basically unfounded.
Thanks to the western media for giving me such a good lesson to know how democracy is double-standard exercised.
BTW, I am an overseas Chinese have been living in a western country for more than 12 years now.
I have a gut-feeling, too, that western media may have deliberately used blogs like what we have here to test the true reaction of Chinese people towards what they are exercising on China. And I could not rule out that they may use this as a platform to collect information as well. Well, i think it does not matter to me. Let them know how Chinese people are really thinking.
Better understanding on China and Chinese people can only make them towards right/correct direction which will be good for the peace and healthy development of the whole world.

The Chinese tendency to demand public displays of subservience from neighbouring countries is losing them friends in Asia.

GW - you have a tendency to selectively cherry pick facts ...

I suggest you understand what America's "War against Terror" is really about and re-read my comments before you comment again. Also, let me know about America's "Campaign against Imperialism to Uproot the Causes of Terror" when you've found it.

As for A-Singh, B-Singh, ..., I need not answer rhetoric with rhetoric.

There is a motor show on in China at present.
Guess what!!!! all these countries so Pro Tibet are there.
And guess what else!!!!!! No Free Tibet, Chinese Terror reported in the western media.
Why have you not asked all these countries to sell their cars in China?!!!!!

The latest report on "elementary moral principle" as reported by your favorite news media, the cnn:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/04/30/india.caste/index.html?section=cnn_latest

truly pathetic!

Simon Elegant: With the overwhelming patriotic propaganda

Reader: As an ivy-league educated oversea Chinese, I think at least some of the emotion is heart-felt. Western media's bias against China and its government is pretty bad. No matter the goverment's human rights record is, you cannot deny the Chinese government's one human rights record: it lifted 1.3 Billion people out of poverty. Chinese people now has teh opportunity to advance. These opporutnities are now attractive even to me. And I have a pretty good job in the US.

Simon Elegant: I guess the Beijing Olympics brought an unexpected shock to both the Chinese government and the Chinese people: it turns out that the world's impression of China is different from what we read in the Chinese media.

Reader: True. I also want to remind you Chinese people and the government is very differnt from what the world's impression is.

Simon Elegant: When Cafferty called the Chinese "thugs and goons", the world is made to witness the righteous rage of China, expressed in "thugs and goons" behavior.

Reader: Are you saying Chinese people are thugs now? I can't believe it. Your prejudice is self-evident; you've lost journalist objectivity.

When you treated the torch violently in your "civilized" countries, it is our Chinese who need to rethink and change our policy. There is no any criticisms from your free and fair media.

When you faced some so called Chinese "nationalism" toward you, still, it is our Chinese who need to rethink our so called nationalism.

Who are you? Are your western people representing the GOD because you are much better at organized violence?

REALLY DISGUSTING ME!

Laf....

Time Asia = Fox News in US

Posted by Zhihua | April 30, 2008 3:53 PM

Its not me that matters my friend, it is argument that matters, and how well it is defended.

There is one thing that I really love with China and its allies. Not joking - this is so cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ZrP40wdlg

Allen Yu

"I suggest you understand what America's "War against Terror" is really about and re-read my comments before you comment again. Also, let me know about America's "Campaign against Imperialism to Uproot the Causes of Terror" when you've found it."

America's "War against Terror" is all about American domination, by Bush and his ruling class!

Chinese "Against Splitting the mother land" is all about domination, by the ruling class of China!

I always talk of evidence and hard facts. Here are the facts laid in front of you in Chinese -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPW9CT4rDlE

Hard evidence of large scale organ harvestation in China which you Chinese all dispute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vx5afAtGAY

It also shows overseas Chinese living in the US going to these organ harvestation factories and buying organs from executed prisoners, and then lying in US saying they got it from their cousins etc.

Shame of the overseas Han.

Phone taps even the overseas Han and CCP officials proves this in the video.

Man, what evidences? a picture with some medical works doing surgery? Or some tales storied by some crying FalunGonger like John Smith? Don't be insane in this way. There are definitely some stolen organ black market in China, and some corrupt officials have dirty hands in it, but I don't think the situation can be worse than in India (a well known human organ exporter), since if they got caught, they'll be excuted.

Orsino

Hey man, you are saying it is all a fabrication?

Orsino

I agree India is a problem with organ sale, but this is done by willing sellers and criminal buyers - it is illegal in India, and if caught, patients and traders face stiff and well deseving jail sentences.

However, In China, people are killed for their organs. Prof. Thomas Diflo clearly of NYU clearly documents this.

In a Village Voice article, Dr. Diflo proves that organs from executed Chinese prisoners have been used for transplantation and that he treated patients who have paid for and received such transplants, which went wrong after operations in China.

While many organs from condemned prisoners are transplanted in China, there is also, according to the article, "a thriving black market in organs sold by live, willing donors in nations with medical know-how, like India.

'I believe that both [practices] are morally and ethically reprehensible,' Diflo says. 'If there are degrees of reprehensibility, however, China wins hands down' because the organs are coming from the executed...' ''

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0118,baard,24344,1.html

Top British transplant surgeons have accused China of harvesting the organs of thousands of executed prisoners every year to sell for transplants.

In a statement, the British Transplantation Society condemned the practice as unacceptable and a breach of human rights.

'Selection'

The British Transplantation Society says an accumulating weight of evidence suggests the organs of thousands of executed prisoners in China are being removed for transplants without consent.

Professor Stephen Wigmore, who chairs the society's ethics committee, told the BBC that the speed of matching donors and patients, sometimes as little as a week, implied prisoners were being selected before execution.

Just last week a Chinese health official said publicly that organs from executed prisoners were sometimes used, but only with prior permission and in a very few cases.

Transplant tourism

Professor Wigmore said: "The weight of evidence has accumulated to a point over the last few months where it's really incontrovertible in our opinion.

The emergence of transplant tourism has made the sale of health organs even more lucrative.

When those journalists say "the world", they meant the white people and their subordinates.

When media amplifies every action against China and ignores every action for China, those under their influence would think so.

But it is the creation of those racist journalists. They are using their own echo to justify their dispicable rasicm.

Little Scrappy Simon obviously has not backed down from his racism views. Why quote other people now? Why not speaking your own mind?

To all the Chinese:

Please let me take this opportuity to pay my condolences to the death of 40 Chinese rail commuters a few days ago.

May their souls rest in peace, and may all go well for their families.

A-Singh

'Hey man, you are saying it is all a fabrication?'

One thing you should remember: Don't trust anything from Falungong.
I have no problem that some people to follow some strange religion, but the Falungong is just too disgusting because of their fabrication of so called evidences.

I believe there are some bad cops and corrupted officials are doing such crimes, but it is simply impossible that the government can organize such things. If those criminals get caught, they'll definely be executed.

SInce you said 'I agree India is a problem with organ sale, but this is done by willing sellers and criminal buyer', I have to recommend you read this: CRIME: India's STOLEN Kidneys Racket
http://www.sajaforum.org/2008/01/crime-indias-st.html
This is what happening in India: some poor men got kidnapped in daytime, and forced under gunpoint to ... It is not only 'stolen', it is robbed!
'Many of the donors were day laborers, like Mr. Mohammed, picked up from the streets with the offer of work, driven to a well-equipped private clinic, and duped or forced at gunpoint to undergo operations.'

But in China, those criminals only dare to steal organs from executed dead people (without consent)
'The British Transplantation Society says an accumulating weight of evidence suggests the organs of thousands of executed prisoners in China are being removed for transplants without consent.'

'I believe that both [practices] are morally and ethically reprehensible,' Diflo says. 'If there are degrees of reprehensibility, however, China wins hands down' because the organs are coming from the executed...' ''

Orsino says ''the organs of thousands of executed prisoners in China are being removed for transplants without consent.''

Exactly - without consent!! That is theft!! That is worse than with consent.

Another thing - I would beleive Falung Gong more than the CCP. CCP is an outright liar (e.g. telling the Chinese the torch ceremony went without issues, when infact there were demonstrations all the way).

Also, I John Smith aint no FG. He is a good samaritan, a good man.

A-Singh

'Exactly - without consent!! That is theft!! That is worse than with consent.'

Robbery of organs from living people is definitely worse than theft from dead people.

Check this Reuters report about the Indian Living Organ Robbery Industry:
http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSN2844854320080128

A-Singh

So you begin to show interest in FLG. You do show many characteristics of FLG members. I believe with your good work in this blog, you will have your third eye open. But I don't think the Fa-wheel in your stomach will spin in your favor.

Must read: Violent Indian

India: Religious violence reaches unacceptable levels

An Amnesty Internation Report.

Ooops, here is the link of 'India: Religious violence reaches unacceptable levels'
http://asiapacific.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA200031999?open&of=ENG-IND

For those of you in North America, it might be worthwhile to spend your evening (1.5 hours) to watch this video - a discussion hosted by the Frontline club in UK.

They managed to pulled people from: BBC, Human Rights Watch, the London Chinese Embassy, and obviously an informed British audience.

"UK panelist discusses China and West relations"

http://www.thechinesecentury.org/2008/04/uk-panelist-discusses-china-and-west.html

Few items of particular interest:

1. Chinese government believes that Europe have managed to achieve balance between social justice and economic development.

2. HRW thinks that if China achieves success as an authoritarian government, that'd have a profound consequence in the developing world.

Read This!

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4fd6068301009qfz.html

But I just read the other day that South Korean police were handling Chinese students rather heavy-handed. Sometime, they seemed to be impatient and even threatening.

臺灣人除了會吠還能做什么？

1.臺灣人怕死。
2.臺灣人愛錢。
3.臺灣人愛面子。

Simon, I like it when you used the word "we".
You wrote, "We are demanding a lot of apologies....." It really shows your true feelings towards the Chinese. You are one of us! Simon is one of those white guys that gone native! You bring a bit of Western perspective, tamper down our innate, hardcore nationalism and give us a more worldly view. So, don't be too hard on Simon, he is giving you an alternative viewpoint. If we want to be part of One World, we just have to accept multiple opinions.
Anyway, the violence we seen in South Korea is really no big deal. No one was killed. If anything, the response by the South Korean authorities shows me they are one of the most nationalistic people in the world.

What the hell, banshan, if you want to bullsh1t, at least bullsh1t on topic...

Hi,
I just realise that the posting was actually written by Lin Yang and Simon was just reposting it here for discussion. Sorry, Simon, you are not one of us and you haven't gone native yet. Hopefully soon!

This Lin Yang is like a limp rag that a Westerner blows his beak into, and he squeals in happiness: I've absorbed Western culture! Democracy! I'm a free man!
The discombobulated article is more an indictment of his own self-hatred and self-pity.
This 50yen unagi whines that China and Chinese people are frogs in the well , taken aback that the world above their habitat is such a hostile place.
At least China's excuse (however paltry) is that it is new to the ways of the world. But there are none so blind as those who would not see, even though they claim they live on the high moral plains.
Just remember the remark by the woman who escaped the 9/11 inferno: Why do they hate us so much?
Why? Deep question, isn't it. Palestine. Now Iraq, Agfhanistan. These are people who live in a culture that prides itself for free speech and thought, but it's really life in a Keanu Reeves-style Matrix of lies proscribed by a vested-interests media.
Perhaps Lin Yang hopes to be branded a traitor, and thus a martyr to his patrons. But he's no more than a laughing stock, because the article reflects not the Chinese gaucheness but his own lack of self-esteem, just like Grace Wang.
Theirs is nothing more than another form of asymmetric thinking that's tilted to the side they desperately hope to belong to, but will always fall a whisker short of. Get it?
This has really ruined my manicure. Gotta wash and change into something more comfortable. Simon Elegant, catch my feather boa. Lin Yang probably will need it for his next drag gig. M Butterfly.

@ jx,

"When Simon Elegant talks about Muslim in China, did he always forget that the biggest Muslim group is Hui people? We have NinXia Hui Autonomous Region."

Simon Elegant will be interested in Hui Muslim if Hui Chinese living outside China go to some anti-China groups and tell them that your region was invaded by Han CPP and your people have been suffering discrimination, "cultural genocide" and genocide.

Why? No news is good news unless you are journalists. It is not newsworthy if Huis are loyal citizens of China. Then what?

Han Chinese were not the only target of Tibetans in 3/14/08 riot. A family of five(Hui) was wiped out, including a 8 month old baby. Somehow Hui victims dropped out of news and it became Tibetans attacking Han Chinese oppressors.

Simon Elegant might still be interested in Hui Chinese if he knows some ethnic strifes happened between Huis and Hans. He will talk to some Huis and pick on the negative feelings toward Hans, then he will go to Hans and do the same. He will file a story of Huis and Hans speaking ill of each other. Then Huis and Hans will start to hate each other and Simon Elegant will have more "exciting" news to report if Huis and Hans start to kill each other.

Wait ...let me get this straight.

Lin Yang posts an article claiming, in essence, that Chinese people are quick to point fingers and have a hard time with self-reflection.

I open these comment boards, and Chinese people are calling Yang a "laughing stock," a "capitalistic slut," and most oddly, a "racist."

Does no one besides me find that just a little bit strange?

Is there a word for "irony" in Mandarin?

TO:Simon Elegant

I just read through your article on this week's issue of TIME. "Why china's Burning Mad".

Let me ask you a question.

Do you know why the Chinese people got anger? Do you know the truth of 3.14 Tibet?

The western medias distorted the truth. That's true. Can you deny that? If somebody do that on you, how's your feeling? Why don't you say something about the source of Chinese's mad?

I agree partly with you about Chinese government and Communist party. But I really, strongly suggest you to repair your view about chinese people and Chinese government.

Honestly, I think that you are scared by few people who are extreme about sending death treats. I don't like this kind of people. They should not do that. But YOU SHOULD NOT TREAT ALL CHINESE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ONLY FEW OF THEM. Honestly again, you should open your view, widen your sight as a professional correspondent. Or else, how are you qualified for a correspondent? or else, you will always distort the truth.

Simon, we don't hate you, at least me. You have your own culture and background, that's your right to express yourself. Honestly again, the western medias are much open than chinese ones. China should learn that from western.

Simon,

I just read your article on the newest Time. I think your concerns for China's growing nationalism is modest. However, you would draw much more empathy from Chinese people if you considered why ordinary Chinese are mad at the Western media. More often, I see them accusing their own biased media reports about the West. Some people certainly have to lower their heads when talking about global peace.

Shall we all thank Simon for his excellent work to let out our anger and go home happy with our families?

Haha the current slang for "irony" is "CNN".

Yes the Chinese definitely need to self-reflect, and so do pro-Tibet activists. Both sides had very good causes in the beginning----defending the name of one's country and demanding freedom. But the rally turned out into a mindless attack on scatgoats. I never believed Carrefour would sponsor Dalai Lama, nor do I believe 1000 Chinese students attacking one protestor on the streets of Seoul.

@ Black Rose

lol. Maybe not many.

I still stand by my comment of "capitalistic slut".

The violence of Chinese students has been exaggerated and taken of context. Here is a picture of a Korean attacking Chinese using a bike:
http://img1.bbs.163.com/shcd/yi/yifeng221/30e932cf27d57307acfad88223bf1b3c.jpg

But the western and Korean media only published the following picture showing Chinese counter-attack:
http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/china/images/2008/04/28/seoulolyprotest.jpg

The following picture shows how Chinese are wrongly blamed of using stone and nippers, while these things are actually brought to the scene by anti-China demonstrators:
http://i31.tinypic.com/314fskg.jpg

http://florasapio.blogspot.com/2008/04/tang-jiabo.html

The Han Chauvenist constructs enemies of other ethnicities, demonstrating he is self obsessed, selfish, ignorant and arrogant.

The hans seemed to have trained their guns on the Indians now - after attacking Tibeteans, Uigurs, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, the West, South America and Africa.

THE WHOLE WORLD HATES CHINA.

"Now let's talk about self-reflection. I guess the Beijing Olympics brought an unexpected shock to both the Chinese government and the Chinese people: it turns out that the world's impression of China is different from what we read in the Chinese media."

unexpected shock? I don't think so, it is more like laying bare what everybody knows but nobody wants to talk about in order to sustain the relationship that is economically beneficial for both sides. One of the salient feature about the Chinese youth's reaction this time is that it is initially triggered and strongly supported by overseas Chinese students. Remember those hot-blooded video clips on youtube? they are made by people currently living outside China.And also those pictures about the torch relay in London, Paris and other cities,which are fed back to the domestic online forums by overseas Chinese students. It is inaccurate to say that it is until March 2008 that these overseas Chinese, as well as many more inside China who are capable of reading English news reports directly online, have learned about the fact that the western media have a "very different" angle in reporting China. One has to contemplate the trend that although the rising nationalism goes hand in hand with China's surging economic power, it also coincides with its continuing openning to the world. Never before have so many Chinese travelled to the western countries for study and business and get first-hand impression about the outside system. At the same time, I believe the patriotic education is becoming less and less appealing to the Chinese youth over the years. So the combined result would be less nationalism and more friendship and open-mindedness, therefore it is odd that today's Chinese youth now seems railing again the west as opposed to the west-hugging back in 1989. What went wrong? the overlords at China Blog might be intersted in offering an answer.

I also have a question for Lin yang: since you think that the radical actions by some Chinese students should be condemned, just as the anti-Beijing Olympic groups (this is my interpretation. Hope you can correct me if I am wrong.) Then where are you when anti-Beijing Olypic groups disrupt torch relays? where is your posting on that matter?

One of the impression that many Chinese get from reading foregin newspaper is that journalistic objectivity is generally a myth. The whole western system is built on balances and checks, not on good faith. The west can basically say anything about China. Because there are no other parties to check them. The Chinese government doesn't hold any credibility with western audience. Until now,the Chinese people, for the most part, cannot read English and know what is printed or said outside China. The few who can read and see used to be silent, as is the Chinese personality. The few foreigners who might suspect the accuracy of these reports also raise no public questions because these reports are not their concern.

Self-reflection goes both ways. If the west continues its free-wheeling style reports on China, as they have been for the last fifty years. I am certain that more confrontation is ahead of us, which might take years to accumulate the emotion and get erupted in a single moment.

By the way, although I often sound like disagreeing with postings by authors on this China Blog. Their reportings are much more esdeemable compared with some other media. Insults or threats to them are greatly inappropriate and regretable. Even from purely utalitarian viewpoint, they only serve to impare the arguments one puts forward.

A Singh is prolific is his denigration of China. For his information, China is at least not doing the dirty work for white masters, unlike India and Sikhs are the most suited to do the bidding of masters such as white British Raj. When the British marched on and burned down the Summer Palace, it was Indian troops that did the dirty work. In Shanghai, it was Sikhs again who policed it for the British with brutal effect. Helen Snow wrote about it in her book. Now Sikhs are flunkeys opening doors in Shanghai and Hong kong. But let us dwell instead on the dignity of humanity.

Posted by frankn20 | May 1, 2008 5:35 AM

''Sikhs are flunkeys opening doors in Shanghai and Hong kong.''

Very good example of Han Chauvenism.

frankn20

Not sure why you are picking on Sikhs so much. If you happen to think I am a Sikh - just to confirm I am not a Sikh, and I dont wear a turban.

Most Sikhs are Singhs, but most Singhs are not Sikhs.

Besides, I have nothing against Sikhs like most Indians living in a free and democratic society.

A Singh
Go sort out your 160 million Dalit (untouchables) in your country.

Posted by phyllis | May 1, 2008 6:56 AM

Very good example of Han Chauvenism. Uncle Han knows best.

Democratics politics has allowed Dalits and other marginalised groups to be empowered. India has had Dalit President, Prime Minister and the most powerful politician today is a Dalit (Mayawati).

It would be interested to see a non-Han, perhaps a Tibetean as Premier. Even the Viceroy of Tibet is a Han.

Cant compare the two.

Posted by A-Singh | May 1, 2008 7:05 AM
You right I dont know.
Neither do you know about the Chinese!!!
For all that democracy why are these 160 million people still demeaned beyond human terms by their own people

When I was at school in Malaysia/Singapore, we called all the Singhs "Bai-ye" (degoratory name tag) & there was a famous poem that we always humed, as follows:

Bai-ye Punjabi Singh went to town
Put his turban upside down
With a gun & shoot it down
Bai-ye Punjabi Singh came rolling down

This will set all the Punjabi singhs fuming mad!

The Korean video appeared to have been doctored, i.e. the preceeding & ending parts (showing how the Chinese students were being provoked)are deliberately deleted.

S.Koreans are indeed strange animals & their wounded pride is even more severe compared to ours ( asuming that what the West alleges against us is true). Imagine their predicaments :
.a country of 46 million (small country) sandwiched between giant & fast catching-up China & technologically superior/matured Japan, thus facing enormous pressure to find its niche in the global competition
.a histoty of subjucations by imperial China (like Vietnam, it was a vassal state of China), colonial Japan & now virtually dominated by the US, with no outright genuine independence in its foreign policies
.a self-bestowed burning over ambition/desire to unite all ethnic Koreans, under one single flag, in the Korean Peninsula & Chinese North East across the Chinese border (we will definitely not allow this to happen) but really unable to accomplish the feat thwarted by a strong China~the feeling of humiliation so daunting that it finds easy blame on China
.even though our leaders will not acknowledge it openly, it is abundantly clear that a united Korea is never gonna be in China's strategic interest especially if unification means the North being absorbed into the pro West South. It is in our utmost interest for maintaining a dependent North (pro China) & using it to prod S Korae into a more benign country away from the US
.S Korean is easy meat for us~its economy depends on the Mainland providing a cheap & cost-effective manufacturing base & its manufactured products a ready 1.3 billion market~these can all be unplugged right under their feet if they try to be funny & be an arse hole
.their unfortunate geographical location dictates that they will have to thread very carefully vis-a-vis China, Japan, Russia in N.E. Asia unless they can shift their location to Europe

The Torch thus serves as a magic mirror telling us who are our enduring friends or otherwise. The curtains that shield the unnatural/hypocritical smiles/false congratulatory messages have now been torn into pieces & there is no room to hide anymore~Chinese should bear this in mind for the next thousand years & formulate our counter actions accordingly.

''For all that democracy why are these 160 million people still demeaned beyond human terms by their own people''.

Not true as mentioned earlier. Democracies dont target/prey on their people, unlike in China.

Nice try Chauvenist

Posted by Mainlander | May 1, 2008 7:15 AM

''Bai-ye Punjabi Singh went to town
Put his turban upside down
With a gun & shoot it down
Bai-ye Punjabi Singh came rolling down''

Very good example of Han Chauvenism. Uncle Han knows best.

Just to let you know, If you happen to think I am a Punjabi - just to confirm I am not a Punjabi.

Most Punjabis are Singhs, but most Singhs are not Punjabis.

Besides, I have nothing against Punjabi like most Indians living in a free and democratic society.

We live as equals and dont to dominate minorities. Unlike the genocide committed by PLA Hans in Tibet and Xinjiang.

Simon Elegant and moderators:

This blog is full of racist slurs by Chinese bloggers. Would be interested to see if Simon does anything about it.

I am not personally offended as I always knew the Chinese are most racist people in the world and the posts here just prove my point.

They are rather childish, and deserve a hard wack on their backsides. Banning them is the wrong thing as freedom of speech must be allowed - even if they make racist remarks.

We live in the free world, and censorship is not in line with democratic values.

Not true as mentioned earlier. Democracies dont target/prey on their people, unlike in China.

Yup!!!!
Like America in Iraq - 45 billion USD per month to run the war. 1M Iraqis dead 5M displaced.
1973 UK deported an entire native Chagossian pouplation from Diego Garcia. Why - to build a naval base - used to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq.

Diego Garcia now controlled by UK and US

Sure democracies do not nice things at times, but the scale is far less than the brutal CCP regime. Moreover people & human rights groups like Amnesty have complained about it in democracies, but in China – the Han Chinese supports all the Human rights violations. Democracies try to rectify their mistakes, but CCP only increases it.

phyllis

Why are you a Han Chauvenist?

Singh

You are a Anti-Han Chauvenist!!!

Your argument of less brutal - weak.
I find western warfare sinister.
Oh becareful!!! - next country to be bombed maybe Iran or maybe Pakistan. Guess by who!!!

To Simon Elegant,

Nationalism described in “Why China’s Burning Mad” does exist somewhat, but the article did not give good perspectives why it happens as well as the role Western media plays. Did media forget why 90% of America had supported the invasion of Iraq during 2002-2003? Basically people want to believe what they want to believe.

Due to tilted reports in recent weeks about Olympics and Tibet, I wrote an article in Chinese, now over 100 sites use it, was first published 5 days ago in http://guancha.gmw.cn/content/2008-04/25/content_766486.htm, a google search on 西藏和国际地缘政治下的点滴 gives most of the links:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%E8%A5%BF%E8%97%8F%E5%92%8C%E5%9B%BD%E9%99%85%E5%9C%B0%E7%BC%98%E6%94%BF%E6%B2%BB%E4%B8%8B%E7%9A%84%E7%82%B9%E6%BB%B4

Its English version is published in:
http://www.creadersnet.com/newsViewer_english.php?id=796126

I liked the diversity of western media once existed, but not anymore. Every liberal Chinese I talked to holds similar view.

Sorry, just a correction to the link in above comment.

The Chinese article奥运、西藏和国际地缘政治下的点滴 was first published in:
http://guancha.gmw.cn/content/2008-04/25/content_766486.htm

Sorry,