Condi Comes Back

Scott, I wish that I shared your optimism about Rice and the upcoming neighborhood meeting. Yesterday, she appeared at a Senate hearing and her verbals certainly denied that she or this administration had an attitude adjustment, let alone an epiphany that would be required for any hope of an approach to diplomacy that would be required to produce the first step toward resolving issues in the ME.
Certainly hope that I am wrong, but it appears that USA policy is still based on arrogance and the assumption that the US will be the last man standing.

At least, there is progress in a willing to talk.

Finally - willing to talk? Does Bush think we still have a choice? At this point, the arrogant VP and his puppet Pesident would do well to start with the basic: Admit that Afganisthan was the national agenda, not Iraq. Iraq was their personal agenda. The issue is not that the war went wrong -a war is a war and no one knows how things will go - the issue is, why did we go to Iraq at all? The WMD's, capture Bin Laden, control terrorism ..which of these has he achieved so far? Come off your high horse, bring the troops home....and if this means talking to Iran and Syria - swallow your pride and do it for the sake of the poor kids being butchered over there.

Finally - willing to talk? Does Bush think we still have a choice? At this point, the arrogant VP and his puppet Pesident would do well to start with the basic: Admit that Afganisthan was the national agenda, not Iraq. Iraq was their personal agenda. The issue is not that the war went wrong -a war is a war and no one knows how things will go - the issue is, why did we go to Iraq at all? The WMD's, capture Bin Laden, control terrorism ..which of these has he achieved so far? Come off your high horse, bring the troops home....and if this means talking to Iran and Syria - swallow your pride and do it for the sake of the poor kids being butchered over there.

Everyone on the US and Iranian leadership sides have to to says things for "domestic consumption." I am optimistic that when the ministers finally meet at the talks there will be progress. It is not in Iran's or America's interest to go to war.

I think this adminstration should understand that every man who gets killed in the middle east has sons and daughters whoes hearts are filled with hate and resentment toward US. How can we let democracy to win if we are sewing the seed of revenge in those young hearts now? If we don't show any compassion toward the people in the middle east by talking and engaging them, all of the open minded and moderate people will also turn against us, and then we have to kill millions to win our war on terror!!! is that logical?

i really happy to heard that these people
are talking i request fromthe world that understand carefully that chirstain,jews,musilmthey belive on same god
they are real brothers but evil dont let them
togeater but if god want one day they will
live togeater as brothers

Finally! The worst presidential administration in history has decided moderation (gasp!) instead of unilateralism is one of the keys for peace and stability in the Middle East. Hindsight suggests any probable and/or eventual success with these talks could bolster Bush's legacy. But by how much? And will historians put much stock into it? The U.S. can still be a force for good in the world if only it would move away more from archaic methods of dealing with allies and foes.

All these problems, as well as most world problems, could be solved if Christians, Jews, and Muslims realized that all off their religions are false and that no one really knows wheter there is a god or not, let alone which religion would be correct if there is a god.

Good work Madame Secretary. Maybe we can begin to get back our foreign policy from the extreme
right settler movement who have such a hold on
our public policy. Let's talk..........

I challenge anyone to go to Mecca and repeat the words, "Muslims realize that their religion is false".

Although it is definately a sign of progress that the three sides will talk, we still have two problems that a single talk over a non related issue may not overcome. We have an administration that vows there is SOME link between Iran and terrorism, Syria and terrorism, yet here both countries stand attempting to help stabalize the region. This administration publishes both in anonymity and with names that both Iran and Syria have ties to Iraqi insurgents but several times those claims lack physical evidence. Iran at this point proves no more involved in the Iraqi insurgent attacks than we appeared to Iran in the Iran-Iraq war.. american weapons.. but no americans...
In the sandbox we are taught, let bigons be bigons, yet the American administration is going to go in and demand to start talking about nuclear proliferation when that isnt the topic to settle.
PLEASE White house, drop the nuclear talks long enough to attempt to listen to those who live in the region to explain WHAT IT WILL take. Do you see the Iraqi prime minister in America trying to settle the long drawn out battle of segregation in the United States?
I guess the better way to ask it is..
Can this administration go into a multi-party talk and forget about the non-related issues long enough to hear all parties through or will this become a shouting match to see who can shout the loudest, because our involvement in Iraq proved.. we can shout the loudest. even when the whole of UN doesnt agree.

Brian, it's not about religion. It's about respect. An aura of arrogance, moral superiority and "we'll blow you" up is what's driving this wedge. A winner take all philosophy in domestic and international politics doesn't work. Hitler proved one thing;no matter how efficient one's methods may be, you can not totally wipe out an adversary and they will live to fight another day.

We are fooling none but ourselves by ignoring the real issue at hand: Has the time not come to give Palestinians their rights and force Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories once and for all? Has the time not come to leave the Middle East alone and allow the people to make their own decisions for a change? The Palestinians issue is at the heart of the situation and if resolved, there can be potential for real peace in the Middle East and for the world at large

We will regret the day that we pull out or Iraq before the job is settled. It is shameful that one life has to be lost for freedom in any country. We murder more of our own people here in our cities in a month than has been lost in Iraq. It seems that little is being done by our own communities, parents, families and churches to prevent it. How many thousand American are laying in Europe today who paid the full price for freedom and sometimes I'm in doubt if they were appreciated. Maybe the next attach will be in the halls of congress and then we will get something done instead of you did this or you did not do that. I'm sick of that whole bickering mess. Some of those old farts should go home and some of those wind bag ladies should zip it.

The arrogance that we have come to be accustomed to coming from the Bush administration makes us jump up and down with joy that finally we are engaging the Syrians and the Iranians. The irony is that we are not. We are merely going to attend where they are attending. Engaging means Kennedy-Khrushchev, Reagan-Gorbachev style. Seems to me we are saying “See, we do not run away from a dialog fight”. We sure don’t run away from a gun fight.

It seems to be lost on most of the CNN audience that Iran and Syria both advocate the destruction of the Jews. Have you little Neville Chamberlains forgot that Iran and Syria ARE 99% of the middle east “problem” that requires a solution? What, pray tell, should we talk to them about? I guess we should tell them to stop calling for a 2nd Jewish holocaust, trying to usher in the age of the 12th Imam to spread Islamic Sharia law across the world by force, supporting Hezbollah and getting them arms of every variety, developing nuclear weapons against international law, and to quit helping to de-stabilize Iraq with insurgents… and to “play nice”. (i.e. the UN-approach..with no teeth.)

(AKA the “Behave or we’ll say not so nice things about you” approach.”)
Sure. Let me know how that works.

You people have no historical/military perspective on anything. You live in a self-created post-modern utopian dreamworld where reality is not required. Thank God this spineless generation wasn’t the one who fought WWII

I suppose you folks wouldn’t have advocated crossing the Rhine..because it would just make Hitler madder and hurt feelings and thereby harm German/American relations. History, people..read it sometime.

Linda, et al:

I reckon, lately, hope is all we have. I share your skepticism. The U.S. as well as Iran and Syria too still have a long, long way to go. But talking is better than fighting, and progress in talks strengthens the pragmatists in all camps, while no talking is exactly what the hawks in all camps want. we have to take the prospect of a war with iran seriously.

Its pretty clear that no major Middle East war benefitted anybody--perhaps with the exception of the 48 war which left israel with an independent state, the 73 war which enabled sadat's egypt to make peace with israel (and resulted in oil windfalls for the gulf states) and the 91 gulf war which liberated kuwait.

a sampling: suez--a diplomatic disaster for israel and left nasser dangerously emboldened. 67--arabs lost territory and honor, israel gained land it still can't decide what to do with and the region got a headache no tylenol could treat. 75--lebanese civil war, total disaster for everyone. 80--saddam invaded iran, 100,000s dead on both sides, made saddam crazier and iranian regime stronger, 82--israel failed to remake lebanon, helped create hizballah, and withdrew in shame and weakness 18 years later. 03--iraq, you have your assessment.

on the other hand, willingness to talk has achieved some gains. sadat did the unthinkable in 77, and whatever you make of the egyptian regime today, egypt would have been another communist albania if it was still locked in war with israel. arafat and rabin made some real progress that will yet serve as the basis of a final peace deal between israel and the palestinians. jordanians have not known war for decades and thank their stars they are not living in palestine or iraq, their neighboring countries.

there are various reasons why the u.s. doesn't talk to iran and other states--history, ideology, politics, strategy, etc. unfortunately, given the tremendous u.s. weight in the middle east, the u.s. refusal to engage has a huge impact. so far, i can't see how that impact has been very much for the good. if rice has now managed to swing bush around to even tentatively engaging iran and syria, to me that's better than nothing and we have to hope for the best.

By the way, Mamdouh.. go research how the "land for peace" deal worked when the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler in exchange for "peace". Furthermore, Israel has given up land (its gotten them no peace), and proposed giving up more when Clinton was in office. However, Arafat showed his true terrorist colors by walking away from an incredible deal. The Palestinians want the whole of Israel. Don't kid yourself.

Scott,WWII was a totally differant war than what we're engaged in now. We were engaging our military against their military. The civilian population didn't really fit into the equation. Once the German and Japanese military leaders surrendered, the fighting stopped. There are no standing armies to defeat now and the civilian population is intertwined in the battlefield. There can be no military victory but only a cessation of hostilities once the aggrieved parties get some measure of what they're seeking. It's funny that youshould invoke Neville Chamberlain because Bush is pretending to be Churchill in all of this and Rumsfeld thought he was Patton and I think Cheney thinks he's God.

Scott Hemphill, you are right on the mark ! Nice job and nice argument. There is another reason why Iran is begging us the US to come to the negotiating table. Because they have almost a 30% unemployment rate and 16% inflation. Time is on the side of the US.

Excellent post Scott! The only difference between the radical muslims of today and the Nazis is the Norse paganism and a Luftwaffe. While I agree that today's society lacks major backbone, I don't see that Bush's agenda is completely infallible either. Talks do need to occur, as well as a crystal clear endgame for Iraq...well, as crystal as it can be during war time. Speaking to Iran is a good thing, if for nothing else, to give us some additional perspective. And by the way, I'm really tired of pie-eyed, internet-cafe-Democrats speaking of kids being "butchered." GIMME A BREAK! More Americans were "butchered" in single skirmishes during WWI, II and Vietnam, than have been lost in the entire Iraq campaign. LAY OFF THE EXAGGERATION BUTTON!

Scott H, You seem to have no problem with Israelis keeping the land they forcibly occupy, and yet oppose Arab/Palestinians using force to reclaim land taken from them. What's the difference? Might makes right? Regarding the "deal" that Arafat was offered, it was a joke: a palestinian homeland consisting of unconnected sections and no control of water?

I feel the offer from Israel should be most of the occupied territories, and the settlement land they keep on the West Bank should be offset by giving up southern land to connect the West bank to Gaza so the Palestinians have a contiguous country. If a peace deal was reached, Israel would then be well within it's rights to destroy any country going to was with them. But at this point they are the oppressor and should be economically boycotted by all UN nations.

Scott,WWII was a totally differant war than what we're engaged in now. We were engaging our military against their military. The civilian population didn't really fit into the equation.

Really, Sonny?
Feel free to explain that to the victims of the the London Blitz, the bombings of Hamburg, or perhaps the people of Nagasaki. I'm curious to hear their responses.
People who want the troops home like to call themselves pragmatists. Ok, let's be pragmatic. Number one, terrorists LIKE to fight. It's their idea to be killing, not ours. Second, we tried not having troops over there. So they came here to kill. Remember the twin towers? So Third, if they insist on us killing them, should we do it over there with troops who signed up to fight and are trained to do so, or here at home with civilians. It takes two to make war. When only one side is fighting, it's called Genocide.

Mark, the fate of the civlians in the decision by the military leaders in Japan & Germany did not determine those countries decision to surender. Those military leaders cared little about their civilian population. When the German military was defeated they surrenderd. When the Japanese military saw the awesome power of one A bomb they realized they could not win a war of atrition aganist the U.S.and surrendered.

While I support the idea of dialogue in the Middle East, I don't understand the breast beating about the US attitude toward Iran.

Iran is a country that ridicules the idea of the holocaust and suggests the whole thing is a figment of a Jewish imagination, publicly declares that a democratic country (a threatening novelty in the Middle East) should be destroyed, is working hard on the development of nuclear weapons and delivery systems despite calls from the entire world to cut it out, and has fueled a number of dirty local wars whose main outcome has been the death of civilians and Palestinians.

So while it is good to talk with Iran, it should be made clear to them that this does not amount to an acceptance of their irresponsible attitudes and aggressive and deadly foreign policies.

From a member of this "spineless generation" i say to scott H. that you need to go crawl back under whatever ROCK you came out of. Dont give me the historical crap. If the U.N. had started the resolution to invade Iraq, my viewpoint on this "war" would be totally different. But since it is not a multinational backed action,
THE SPINELESS FEW must operate under the laws of the Geneva convention because right now, the U.S. is at war with "all those who oppose peace and equality". What a vague enemy. We're fighting people who send women and young men to their death to kill 1 or 2 americans. that is a success to them.
Technology and the struggle for human rights, THE VERY RIGHTS WE ARE IN IRAQ TO PROTECT have made us learn to BECOME spineless, if thats what you want to call it. This is battle is the middle-easts to have, not the middle-east with the meddling of the U.S. Civil wars break out all the time and no one steps in. We created the civil war by removing the dominant power, now we must let the dust settle and let a dominant power come back to surface. Otherwise, we are nothing more than an occupying military force.
would you like iraq to be the next state brought into the union there scott, because thats what you make it sound like.

The direction that these comments have strung along is just a small example of how the talks can go awry. Half of the people turn this around back on Iran and Palestinians. No one wants to step up and own up to the fact that by eliminating Sadaam, we've basically put iraq up for sale to the highest bidder... as long as they'll sign our contract.
The issue of Palestinians not respecting jews nor israelis is a separate issue. We do not have a war proclamation for anywhere near Israel or Palestine OR Iran for that matter. The issue at hand is the stablization of the entire middle east. Not the respect of the Jews or whether Iran has the technology to develop nuclear weapons. If we cant stabilize the region, then Iran wont be a threat because it will only be a matter of time until civil war turns into regional war, which then YES, will turn into a Holocaust 2. Only difference is, it will be animalistic means that win that war. Last one standing gets named ruler of the IranestianianIsraeliYemen territory. because frankly all the peopple that want to EARN a living will be dead and the middle east will be on a downward spiral. Then after darfur will be Blue cell phones and Ipods to save the starving people of the middle east.

To all those who consider complaints about 3,100 deaths to be whining & comparing those casualties with the tens of thousands in past wars,even WWI(the war to end all wars), maybe we all can consider such whining as Progress in Civilization.

Folks, would you kindly remind me how the "Agreed Framework" TALKS and NEGOTIATIONS with Kim Jon "Licensed to" ILL worked out? Clinton and Albreight felt they had achieved peace by allowing reactors and parts to go to North Korea in exchange for... (and this is the funny part) for K.J.I. "promising" to not weaponizing it.

Yay! Another victory for "talks" and "negotiations" with dictators bent on blackmail.

Only problem...
North Korea weaponized it..actually, they were weaponinzing it during the negotiations. They were nuclear weapon ready by 2002.

Wooops! But darn, we thought we had "peace for our time" in that agreement with North Korea. How DARE known fascist dictators lie? Who would have ever thunk it? Who could have ever seen that one coming? (Other than anyone with half a brain)

And Jim, I suppose you are taking a stroll into President Jimmy Carter's Revisionist Liberal Land with your vilification of Israel that stems from revisionist history at its most pathetic level. Since Munich in 1972, we could recount how many civilian murders on the part of the Palestinians? Bombings? Remember, the UN put the jews in Israel, but the UN is also content to let them die there for the sake of Neo-political-correctness. Of course, Israel is villified FOR FIGHTING BACK when they are attacked by terrorists. (Sound familiar?) When Hamas was voted in by the Palestinian people as the governing body, they chose an organization that has the DESTRUCTION of Israel in its charter. (Read that sentence again, let it sink in, think on it a minute before going into some rant about the world should instead be singing Kum-Ba-Ya if it wasn't for mean old Israel.) Face it Jim, you hate Israel because it has what so many in our time lack- they have intestinal fortitude in an era when pure submissiveness and "paying off blackmail" is viewed as "noble".

Furthermore, for those of you who view the U.S. as this force of "evil" in the world. Remember, you are permitted to leave at your leisure. There's plenty of post-modern neo-socialism and political correctness in France. Go enjoy the Riviera till your hear is content.

Furthermore, at its inception, the Geneva Convention only applied to uniformed combatants representing a country. By some miracle of post-modern idoicy, some fools decide to spam those rights to non-uniformed terrorists who target civilians in coffee shops, malls, office buildings, buses, you name it.

But, welcome to the "give a terrorist a hug" leftist ideology.

For once, lets leave Iran's anti-Jewish stance and tirades out of this !! U.S. foreign policy should be driven by what's good for U.S. Period !!

And remember, both Iran (a Shia country) and U.S. have a common enemy - Al Qaeda (a Sunni movement). Its time to join hands with our enemy's enemy !!!

now if we could put the fate of the jewish entity in occupied palestine to the vote of the 136 million people who live in the countries bordering the 4.5 million squatting jews thereby not denying to the majority of the people in middle east the right to self-determination it could be a very god start indeed.

In solving the Iraq mess, it is possible that Cheney/Bush wanted to make their own "statement" by first sending an additional 21,000 troops before starting to use the Baker-Hamilton recommendations. Bush would have looked bad if he quickly adopted Baker-Hamilton because it would have proved he had a flawed policy for the last 5 years. That might be giving Cheney/Bush too much credit for even using their brains, as everything they have done has been a shot from the hip without a sinlge thought about having a plan or understanding the consequences.

Jim;

Do you not know ANY history of the region?

How DID Israel come to occupy the Golan Heights?!?!?! Do you think they woke up one morning and said 'I think I will start a war against every nation bordering mine so I can have some desert to occupy.'

Wake up. They were attacked, they fought for their very lives and the lives of their children. So, they won: The weren't wiped off the face of the planet. I say 'To the winner, go the spoils'.

Scott, was this an editorial or a field report? Remarks such as referring to supporters of talks with Syria & Iran as "pragmatists" and statements such as "shows the uselessness of settling issues through the barrel of a gun" are opinions, not facts. I thught journalists were supposed to report facts? My apologies if this an editorial.

Sonny c

History 101:

1)
Japan did not surrender after one a-bomb.

It took two.

Every schoolboy knows that.

2)
The Germans don't stop fighting after the military surrendered. Ask the Russians how many of their troops died by snipers AFTER the surrender and how they dealt with the German insurgents.

Hello everybody , after reading all your comments , I think we should let the professionals do the job correctly , the intelligence ,the military , and the diplomatic community who have a hands-on real-time assessment of the situation , with all the undercover , under-the-carpet moves and negotiations that might even never be published in the press , one sure thing is that spies , paid informers et al are doing their job perfectly , and I assume that the Bush administration will not permit auto-destruction by not moving with perfect efficiency and timing against Iran , Syria , or any other middle east foe crazy enough to attack the U.S. or trying to develop nuclear weapons . When the U.S. only thought Saddam had chemical weapons he might have hidden in Syria or Iran , he was attacked , his neighbours didn't get the message and want to do the same , they will be attacked and destroyed efficiently , no matter what , so the talks are just a last stage to get the message home , if they don't get it , they're gonna get it , don't mess around with the U.S. , first go to work hard like Israel and the U.S. to achieve development ,and then be grateful the winners are still talking to you while you loser have nothing worthwile to show except increasing poverty , the Bush administration is talking by acting the only thing the Arabs respect and understand , remember when Iran started to back off two weeks ago when the second aircraft carrier entered the scene ,so the main line of approach is correct , if they don't understand , wipe off efficiently their military complex

Hello everybody , after reading all your comments , I think we should let the professionals do the job correctly , the intelligence ,the military , and the diplomatic community who have a hands-on real-time assessment of the situation , with all the undercover , under-the-carpet moves and negotiations that might even never be published in the press , one sure thing is that spies , paid informers et al are doing their job perfectly , and I assume that the Bush administration will not permit auto-destruction by not moving with perfect efficiency and timing against Iran , Syria , or any other middle east foe crazy enough to attack the U.S. or trying to develop nuclear weapons . When the U.S. only thought Saddam had chemical weapons he might have hidden in Syria or Iran , he was attacked , his neighbours didn't get the message and want to do the same , they will be attacked and destroyed efficiently , no matter what , so the talks are just a last stage to get the message home , if they don't get it , they're gonna get it , don't mess around with the U.S. , first go to work hard like Israel and the U.S. to achieve development ,and then be grateful the winners are still talking to you while you loser have nothing worthwile to show except increasing poverty , the Bush administration is talking by acting the only thing the Arabs respect and understand , remember when Iran started to back off two weeks ago when the second aircraft carrier entered the scene ,so the main line of approach is correct , if they don't understand , wipe off efficiently their military complex

Well put Jeff!it amazes me that all of a sudden it seems ok to have Iran at the talks in Iraq,are'nt they fomenting trouble,arming,training etc in Iraq?now its ok for them to sit and talk about the way forward there!when at home they put their country back centuries!

Frank: it took two SINGLE bombs from one airplane each to wreak their destruction. We could do this amount of damage w/out losing a single man. Any German resistance after May,1945 was inconsequential to the outcome.

Scott, Who is spoiling for the fight in the "geopolitical proxy war between the U.S./Israel and Iran/Syria"? Your words give the underlying message that the U.S. is the aggressor. The following statement disqualifies you from pontificating on world politics just Neville was disqualifies when Hitler attacked, "shows the uselessness of settling issues through the barrel of a gun."

After reading these posts, all I can conclude is that there are an awful lot of people in this country and world who don't know as much as they think they do and have hopelessly deluded themselves. It's frightening to see the lack of clarity, honesty and grasp of reality displayed here. But, it sure explains why it' so hard to keep the peace in the world. Thanks for the laugh!

Scott thanks for your response. I would only wish you to reconsider the 'Rice convinced Bush' position. Rice has shown no real success in diplomatic relations and was National Security Advisor linking hands with such as Gonzales pre- Shock and Awe. Her testimony on Tues at the Senate hearings was rather defensive and almost combative when confronted with 'real questions' related to policy. Her State Department is in disarray with a lack of professionals and many open positions that have long gone unfilled. Going further some of the 'buzz' coming out of State (CNN Zain V. reporting) is that they will 'attend' the Baghdad Meeting due to the external pressure being put on the WH to more actively engage in 'diplomacy'. Again, I would love to be proved wrong.
You mention the huge weight that the US has in the ME. Has it been diminished with the 'warring' and over the long haul supporting various warring factions or in a very real sense the loss of perceived or real neutrality? Would the 'negotiations' have a greater chance of success if the 'lead' was less invested in the region especially in the oil-religious-faction issues?

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Am I to be amnesiac and forget the 1953 CIA plot in Iran, Operation Ajax, which overthrew Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and put the Shah back in power?

Also the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war when American Republicans (the Reagan years) were more than willing to supply Iraq's Saddam Hussein with arms and the chemicals to gas Kurds and Iranian pasdarans? Should I expect Iran to play nice with us now and help us with the horrible mess we made in Iraq?

As for Russia (the former Soviet Union), we did our darnest to thwart their invasion of Afghanistan in 1979-1989. Osama Bin Ladin and the Islamofascists (what we call the muhajadeens today) were our friends then and we kept them well trained and armed. Now Putin and Co. should be our allies and help us with our invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq?

Saddam Hussein as written above was our friend and ally in the 1970's and 1980's. When did he become our enemy number one that we had to invade his country and hang him? When he couldn't win the Iran-Iraq war in spite of all our help?

On Syria, the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the USA rescued Israel with massive shipments of materiel and intelligence humiliating Egypt and Syria in the process. Should there be love here?

The atomic bombings of Japan by the Americans were also meant as a shot across the bow for the Soviet Union.

Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view) the USA did not have another atomic bomb to parade.

A fake would not have worked because everyone knew about Geiger counters..

By the time the Americans had more atomic bombs, it was too late. The Soviets had them too.

Scientists with a conscience (again, depending on your point of view) had helped the Soviets skip a step or two. But by the time the hydrogen bomb was ready, the Soviets had independently a better designed one.

Does every Muslim realize that for every American killed his brothers, sisters, cousins, second cousins will all hate Muzzies? Soon, the retribution will be felt in the streets of the US.

Posted by KnightTemplar
March 1, 2007
Does every Muslim realize that for every American killed his brothers, sisters, cousins, second cousins will all hate Muzzies? Soon, the retribution will be felt in the streets of the US.

Its retoric like this that fuels this fire.

America needs to talk to Iran without setting unfair preconditions in the nuclear standoff. According to IAEA, there is no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons programme. Furthermore, Dr Ahmadinejad did not threaten to kill the jews. Translated from Farsi he quoted ayatollah Khomeini who said "Israel will destroy itself over the pages of time" and the Soviet Union was given by Ahmadinejad as an example. The president said in a later speach that Iran was not a military threat to any country including even Israel.

The official Iranian solution to the Palestinian problem is to hold a referendem in which all Jews, Christians and Muslims vote to determine the future of the occupied territories. President Ahmadinejad has continously expressed his support for this solution.

Unfortunately there are too many lies bouncing about in the western and Israeli media and this is fueling the talk of war. Israel see Iran as an idiologic threat not a physcal threat.

Posted by KnightTemplar
March 1, 2007
Does every Muslim realize that for every American killed his brothers, sisters, cousins, second cousins will all hate Muzzies? Soon, the retribution will be felt in the streets of the US.

Let me guess, they let neo-facist Michigan militia men have computer access in prison?

KnightTemplar is either 12 years old or has a brain of a 12 year old. Surely, a grown up can't be stupid enough to physically threaten a group of people on a blog and then carry out his threats.

As for the topic du jour, you don't have to like who you talk to but you have to talk to them. I commend Bush administration on taking the first step. As they say, better late than never.

Even if Iran is perceived as the enemy, you have to keep them close. Blindly starting wars fosters more hatred which makes the extremists even stronger.

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A Nov. 15 2007 AP story indicates Chevron was fined $30M by the SEC for bribing Saddams’s thugs in the “oil for food” deal and that Chevron may face tax evasion charges later. The bribes were in the millions so someone pretty high up at Chevron had to sign off on the payments. Unfortunately the AP story did not mention Dr. Condoleezza Rice the Chevron board member and the chairman of the “Public Policy Committee” which is responsible for making sure this kind of activity does not happen.

The Chevron website says the committee’s purposes include “identifying, evaluating and monitoring social, political and environmental trends, issues and concerns”, “analyzing how public policy trends could impact business activities and performance". Dr. Rice never discussed the Iraqi bribes on the record (not in the minutes) at company meetings. That should not surprise anyone who is familiar with her lack of response to 911 warnings.

President Clinton put sanctions on Iraq. Actions by Chevron and Rice clearly violated those sanctions and amount to treason. I urge our new Attorney General Michael Mukasey and California Attorney General Jerry Brown determine who at Chevron authorized the millions in bribes.

Ellis Goldberg
Danville CA

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As for the topic du jour, you don't have to like who you talk to but you have to talk to them. I commend Bush administration on taking the first step. As they say, better late than never.