Cheney's Lament

> Some Democratic leaders seem to believe
> that blind opposition to the new strategy
> in Iraq is good politics.

Does Cheney know that the Republicans lost quite badly in the November 2006 elections? With Rove I am sure he does know and is just spinning/counterpunching, but with Cheney (and probably W) I am honestly not sure.

Cranky

Kudos to Joe, that was kind of funny.

I didn't think Snarl could come out in the daylight? Does that cause him to burn up or something?

Also, I'd LOVE IT if a reporter were to ask Cheney why we should listen to him given his track record of being completely wrong on everything.

And hard-core Republicans wonder why Cheney has only an 18% favorability rating. Maybe if they read Joe's translations they could work it out.

Source Ana:
http://time-blog.com/swampland/2007/03/darth_cheney.html?xid=rss-swampland

But whatever we do, we shouldn't impeach the guy. That'd be extreme.

Wow.

Remember when Cheney was being sold to America as the experienced voice of reason who would help guide Bush, were he to become President, in foreign policy matters? This drives home the point, yet again, that the salesmen were 3 Card Monte dealers.

If only we hadn't been focusing so much on who invented the internet, perhaps...

I liked this... but why, oh why, is "the usual Bush-bashing" worse than Cheney-bashing? Is there something in Article III, like "The Leader of the executive Branch fhall not be Bashed, but only his Affociate?"

Interesting, considering Cheney is the *real* president of America.

wow Joe, I think you just might get the hang of this blog thing yet! (BTW, that was a note of approval, not snark)

ooh, Ana, your blogging tips are starting to take
hold! Joe's post reminds me of the "We translate so
you don't have to..." posts of Wonkette Emerita's
days!

Seriously, this was a hoot! Terribly funny and,
sadly, all too true. (Quick, fax it over to the
Daily Show, they're taping any moment now.)

Joe Klein does snark! Who knew?!

Joe, I am impressed, I think you got into his head, or mine. I guess Cheney is sort of a concern troll writ large. Why is it that cowards, like Cheney and, well, Bush, are so protective of the troops feelings? (As if they knew what the troops felt). I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard a Republican accusing someone of not supporting the troops. Of course supporting the troops means, apparently, sending them into a sectarian hellhole without a coherent strategy, enough manpower or armor and then making them stay extra long. As an Army vet, I can say without qualification that with friends like the Republicans, who needs enemies? The irony, of course, is that they accuse their opponents of treason while they gleefully throw other people's children into the maw of hell in a way that is plainly against our national interest.

Thanks George. I also love how he indicates that anyone who disagrees with him just doesn't get it. Right, you have been wrong about exactly everything and we don't get it? Or that their opponents have some kind of character flaw to want to stop the slaughter of our soldiers. Whatever.

The fact of the matter is that this administration has wrapped itself in the flag and vilified any opposition. They are not scoundrels, because that would be the last refuge. No, they are worse. Wrapping themselves in the flag is their first resort.

Reid made a classic Washington gaffe, defined by Michael Kinsley as accidentally telling the truth.

The war in Iraq is lost. Everybody knows this except the most unhinged neocons. The war cannot be won militarily.

We are way past the point of "winning". We should be focused on extricating ourselves. We cannot extricate ourselves through military action. At the end it has to be through diplomatic means. Maybe we should try a regional conference a la Dayton accords.

What Reid said is what other people have said. Kissinger, Generals Odom, Hoar, Mc Peak. Probably lot of other generals are saying it in private too.

Back up, Dick.

Jim Manley, Spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, released the following statement today after comments made by Vice President Dick Cheney:

"Vice President Cheney should be the last person to lecture anyone on how leaders should make decisions.

Leaders should make decisions based on facts and reality, two words that seem to be foreign to the Vice President

This is the same guy who said Iraq has weapons of mass destruction and that we would be greeted as liberators. And it's the same guy who continues to assert that Saddam Hussein had links to al Qaeda long after our own intelligence agency conclusively refuted this notion. To suggest he lacks credibility would be an understatement.

The Vice President's and others' attacks on those who disagree with their failed policies are signs of desperation. They are lashing out because they know the days are numbered for their failed strategy and that the American people and a bipartisan majority are determined to force this Administration to change course in Iraq."

http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=272976&

OT, but is anyone in this swamp planning to comment on the death of a real journalist?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/04/24/halberstam_press/

Palooka Joe is catching on to how the blogging game is played. I also thought the column in the magazine was pretty decent -- better than PJ has written in years -- sort of "balanced," but without the typical character assassination that these lazy clowns have been using for years to provide "balance" against their fundamental policy disagreements with the conservatives. We'll see how long it lasts; watching some of the rest of the pundit gang mainlining on Edwards' haircut must be like a newly recovering junky left alone in a pharmacy for these people.

Check this out

http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/07/04/24/1735213.shtml

Stealing elections anyone.

Don't get excited guys, the minute you start feeling good about Mr. Faith Based, he'll bust out another "Nancy Pelosi...SHE SO CRAZY!" column. It's part of his contract.

Bravo! I nominate this article for the print edition. Do any of you guys... uh... KNOW someone with influence over that edition? Time's paper-based blog? I know it's a stretch (only passionless, 'balanced' articles are worthy of the sacred paper).

But seriously, it's nice to see some real clarity on the subject. Time's next cover should be "Dick Cheney: Wrongest Man in America"

CNN has a rather different take.

As Josh Marshall puts it, "Isn't it enough for the RNC to run one cable news network. They've got to run CNN too?"

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/013818.php

CNN's two headlines for the same story:

"Cheney attacks defeatist Dem plan"

"Cheney: Top Democrat pursuing defeatest Iraq strategy"

So not only is the plan objectively defeatist, Cheney thinks it's "defeatest" which presumably means that it's the most defeatist of all the defeatist plans. Or something.

Go, Joe. Seriously, stronger than a regular paper towel.

Off topic

http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/07/04/24/1735213.shtml

"Netcraft is showing that an event happened in the Ohio 2004 election that is difficult to explain. The Secretary of State's website, which handles election reporting, normally is directed to an Ohio-based IP address hosted by the Ohio Supercomputer Center. On Nov. 3 2004, Netcraft shows the website pointing out of state to a server owned by Smartech Corp. According to the American Registry on Internet Numbers, Smartech's block of IP addresses 64.203.96.0 – 64.203.111.255 encompasses the entire range of addresses owned by the Republican National Committee. Smartech hosted the recently notorious gbw43.com domain used from the White House in apparent violation of the Presidential Records Act, from which thousands of White House emails vanished. Can anyone suggest a good explanations for this seemingly dubious election-eve transfer?"

Kucinich just announced on CNN the Three Articles of Impeachment against Cheney that he has filed:
1. Using statements he knew to be false leading to war with Iraq-WMDs
2. Same as 1. except linking Iraq to AQ
3. Openly threatening war against Iran

Crust, I'm proud to say that I was the one who noticed that "defeatist" story and sent the screen capture to Josh and Atrios.

Kudos to you, Joe. If the expletives weren't deleted, I wouldn't be surprised to see it at Eschaton..

PS - That's a compliment, by the way...

What? Joe, snarky? Amazing!

There may be hope for you yet Joe! KUDOS! Best post ever.

The brilliance of snark is exposing the ridiculous 'conventional wisdom' that seems to rule over the media. Nothing better than scathing comments juxtaposed against 'serious' comments.

Keep this up Joe. Posts like these show you're starting to get a grasp on how things REALLY work.

Note before I get flamed... I meant "Best post ever by Joe." :)

Joe - Good post. Truly.

Not only was it funny but it is also always heartening to see that we are not the only ones to translate his comments that way.

Way to go TomT. I see they have a headline "Soldier: I was warned against telling Tillman truth". But the soldier's actual quote is:

``I wanted right off the bat to let the family know what had happened. `I was quite appalled that when
was actually able to speak to Kevin, I was ordered not to tell him what happened.''

I guess CNN figured that "ordered" though accurate was too sensationalistic, so they downgraded it to "warned".

A trivial detail in isolation perhaps, but it fits a pattern.

Sorry, I slightly botched Specialist O'Neal's quote. It should read:

"I wanted right off the bat to let the family know what had happened. I was quite appalled that when
I was actually able to speak to Kevin [Tillman], I was ordered not to tell him what happened."

Good catch on that one, too, Crust.

CNN is nothing more than Fox Lite.

What's Cheney's approval rating these days? Negative four?

Appreciate the snark, Joe. Still Cox does this sort of schtick better. Remember her translations of Tina Brown? OMG, so funny.

Any time Cheney opens his mouth I see farts. I don't know how anyone can stand to be with him. Do you want to know which reporter is currently in the doghouse with their editor? It's the one that has to cover Cheney. All thoses noxious farts escaping his mouth. No wonder he lies so much; anyone holding a microphone is working so hard not to wretch and gag that they don't dare rebuke a lie lest they puke on his tie.

George McG Stiff Backhand:

"In the war of my youth, World War II, I volunteered for military service at the age of 19 and flew 35 combat missions, winning the Distinguished Flying Cross as the pilot of a B-24 bomber. By contrast, in the war of his youth, the Vietnam War, Cheney got five deferments and has never seen a day of combat — a record matched by President Bush. ...

We, of course, already know that when Cheney endorses a war, he exempts himself from participation. On second thought, maybe it's wise to keep Cheney off the battlefield — he might end up shooting his comrades rather than the enemy.

On a more serious note, instead of listening to the foolishness of the neoconservative ideologues, the Cheney-Bush team might better heed the words of a real conservative, Edmund Burke: "A conscientious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood."

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mcgovern24apr24,1,1800867.story?ctrack=2&cset=true

Klein's staffer must have wrote this.

Say it ain't so, Joe!

Joke, the fact that Cheney feels he can say these things, and others like 'last throes', is a testament to the carte blanche offered by you and your collegues for the last 6 years. The weak performance of you and yours have emboldened these people to claim up is down and visa versa, because for too long, the MSM has simply accepted as fact anything that comes from the mouths of the GOP(see CNN headline 'Cheney attacks Dem's defeatist plan'). Gee Joke you sound kinda 'nutso', almost like you think he should be impeached or something.

Good post Joe...one of the realist and funnest column in a long while.

Could you actually be trying to come back from the Dark Side?

Your readers and posters need a few more truth-telling columns from you before we welcome you back though...

And Joe-We're rootin for You!

Note to Administration: the Democrats passed their war spending bills weeks ago. If the public was going to be outraged with Congress, we would be hearing it already. I'm not hearing it. It's utterly amazing to me that the Right still thinks there are political victories to be won in supporting the war. To compare these guys will ostriches would be offensive to ostriches.

i like this format for writing; it esp works when you are quoting such a duplicitous bastard. good piece. (and snark is always appreciated)

i really think you're getting the hang of blogging. next time, let 'er rip -- go ahead and use the swear words. karen won't mind ... well, she might but what they hey...

Crust: thx for the heads-up catch on CNN.com. I just flamed them with a 'report an error' filled with road rage.

Short version: We are watching this on CNN-TV Soldier: 'ordered'. Committee: 'ordered?'. Soldier: 'Roger, that'.

Quit dissing the soldiers that have served. Stand up when they walk by and get the quotes right.

I think we need to take back the 'stenos' charges. These guys wouldn't make it in the typing pool. Unless, of course, you were Callista working around Gingrich.

I criticize Mr. Klein pretty harshly in past comments, so I'd beeter be free with the compliments when they are deserved. This blog entry deserves praise.

Thank you Joe, for drawing attention to the speciousness of Cheney's little rant. Keep up the good work!

You think that's bad? Did you check the CNN screen capture that read, "Cheney attacks defeatist plan"? Check out TalkingPointsMemo... what bs.

LnGrrrR: all I could find was headline: Cheney Reid exchange barbs; Lead: summarized Cheney's attack and Reid saying 'it's not worth a reply' (not an exact quote)

I'll get to TPM as soon as I can find an emesis basin.

OMG: On my way to TPM, I got a load of the picture of the Darth on Faux home page with the dome framing Cheney like with the halo of an angel. Their soldier quote was 'told to conceal'. I got to the TPM headline about Soros buying political power. Had to go to the BR before I wet my pants LOL.

What will Orilemup say about the pentacle added to the list of approved religious symbols on soldiers' head stones?

Hey Joe,
This gets an A! You did good.

NOW, let's see what you can do with President Pissypants' diatribe, please.
--OR--
Maybe the commenters want to each take a paragraph
to translate.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070424-1.html

President Bush Discusses Iraq War Supplemental
South Lawn

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. Seventy-eight days ago I sent Congress a request for emergency war funding that our troops urgently need. I made it clear to Democratic leaders on Capitol Hill that I'm willing to discuss our differences on the way forward in Iraq. But I also made it clear our troops should not be caught in the middle of that discussion.

Yesterday, Democratic leaders announced that they plan to send me a bill that will fund our troops only if we agree to handcuff our generals, add billions of dollars in unrelated spending, and begin to pull out of Iraq by an arbitrary date.

I'm disappointed that the Democratic leadership has chosen this course. The bill they announced yesterday includes some of the worst parts of the measures they had earlier passed with narrow majorities in the House and the Senate. They know I'm going to veto a bill containing these provisions, and they know that my veto will be sustained.

But instead of fashioning a bill I could sign, the Democratic leaders chose to further delay funding our troops, and they chose to make a political statement. That's their right. But it is wrong for our troops and it's wrong for our country. To accept the bill proposed by the Democratic leadership would be to accept a policy that directly contradicts the judgment of our military commanders. I strongly believe that the Democrats' proposal would undermine our troops and threaten the safety of the American people here at home. And here is why.

First, a proposal would mandate the withdrawal of American troops beginning as early as July 1st of this year, and no later than October 1st of this year, despite the fact that General Petraeus has not yet received all the reinforcements he needs. It makes no sense to tell the enemy when you start to plan withdrawing. If we were to do so, the enemy would simply mark their calendars and begin plotting how to take over a country when we leave.

We know what could happen next. Just as al Qaeda used Afghanistan as a base to plan attacks of September the 11th, al Qaeda could make Iraq a base to plan even more deadly attacks. The lesson of 9/11 is that allowing terrorists to find a sanctuary anywhere in the world can have deadly consequences on the streets of our own cities. Precipitous withdrawal from Iraq is not a plan to bring peace to the region or to make our people safer at home. Instead, it would embolden our enemies and confirm their belief that America is weak. It could unleash chaos in Iraq that could spread across the entire region. It would be an invitation to the enemy to attack America and our friends around the world. And, ultimately, a precipitous withdrawal would increase the probability that American troops would one day have to return to Iraq and confront an enemy that's even more dangerous.

Second, the Democratic leadership's proposal is aimed at restricting the ability of our generals to direct the fight in Iraq. They've imposed legislative mandates, they passed legislative mandates telling them which enemies they can engage and which they cannot. That means our commanders in the middle of a combat zone would have to take fighting directions from legislators 6,000 miles away on Capitol Hill. The result would be a marked advantage for our enemies and a greater danger for our troops.

Third, the bill proposed by Democratic leaders would spend billions of dollars on projects completely unrelated to the war. Proposed legislation does remove some of the most egregious pork barrel projects that Democratic leaders had inserted in earlier bills. Yet it still includes huge amounts of domestic spending that has no place in an emergency war funding bill. We should debate those provisions on their own merits, during the normal process -- but funding for our troops should not be held hostage while that debate unfolds.

I know that Americans have serious concerns about this war. People want our troops to come home, and so do I. But no matter how frustrating the fight can be and no matter how much we wish the war was over, the security of our country depends directly on the outcome in Iraq. The price of giving up there would be paid in American lives for years to come. It would be an unforgivable mistake for leaders in Washington to allow politics and impatience to stand in the way of protecting the American people.

Last November, the American people said they were frustrated and wanted a change in our strategy in Iraq. I listened. Today, General David Petraeus is carrying out a strategy that is dramatically different from our previous course. The American people did not vote for failure, and that is precisely what the Democratic leadership's bill would guarantee.

It's not too late for Congress to do the right thing and to send me a bill that gives our troops and the commanders the funds and flexibility they need. I'm willing to meet with leaders in Congress as many times as it takes to resolve our differences. Yet, if the Democratic leaders insist on using the bill to make a political statement, they will leave me with only one option: I will veto it. And then I'll work with Congress to pass a clean bill that funds our troops without handcuffing our commanders, spending billions of dollars unrelated to the war, and forcing our nation to withdraw on the enemy's terms.

Thank you.

Question:
Has Bush given ANY speeches in which he has NOT mentioned 9/11? If so, how many?

Congratulations, Mr. Klein. I believe that you are finally getting the hang of this blogging thing. You take a FACT, such as quoting something Mr. Cheney said, and you provide an opinion on it.

Have you figured out why you failed to do your homework and get your facts right in some of your previous entries?

This is an administration that from day one with the "vandalism" of the keyboards in the White House office pool by Clinton staffers has been incapable and or unwilling to tell the truth about almost everything. To compound the sin of dishonesty, this is also an administration that can't seem to get anything right. Joe Klein, where were you several years ago when this country needed some snark-fueled honesty out of high profile talking heads? Beating up on this crew now is easier than picking off fish in a barrel, granted I'll take it but it would have meant so much more several years ago before this mistakes & miscalculations of this administration would cause the death & injury of so many of our brave military men & women and the death & injury to so many of the innocent Iraqis. Better late than never I guess but it would be nice to here from Klein and his peers about just how wrong they got it and how long it took them to see it.

Sorry for the errors in spelling & grammer. I worked up such a head of steam that I didn't check it as well as I should have before hitting submit.

Yes, bravo. I even gave Joe props at my site and tried to trackback. Do they not work, or is moderation in play to prevent spam?

Regardless, I promise to be mean to Joe in the future when he pulls another boneheaded blogging stunt. Spare the snark, spoil the blogger. I hurt, because I love. Never eat spinach with a stranger.

Bravo! Great post, Joe.

Good one, Joe. Now don't get nervous and go posting something intended to draw the wrath of your commenters just so you can claim "balance". Sometimes, no matter how hard the other side argues, 2+2 DOES equal 4. Equal consideration need not be given to those who claim it equals 3.

Joe, thanks for having more balls and integrity than CNN. Enjoyed the piece and was nice to see attention brought to the subject. It was also very cool to see Reid respond so strongly and directly to his BS. But seriously, anything Cheney says is so deranged anyone could tear it apart unless they're paid not to. This was definitely Shmaily Shmow material.

PS. Time is running a headline with similar verbage on the Tillman stroy. "Ranger Told to Conceal Tillman Info"

Cheney said "To accept the bill proposed by the Democratic leadership
would be to accept a policy that directly contradicts the judgment of
our military commanders."
Reid should have immediately replied with "You're the one who directly contradicted the
judgment of Shinseki -- with 300,000+troops we could have won. Your poor
decisions lost us the war in Iraq etc etc"

Joe, here's the CW on Cheney: "Wrong about EVERYTHING." All the way back to the 70's.

Now go spread it at this weekend's cocktail parties.

Good post by the way...

I'm reserving my congratulations for the snarky post that "translates" Cheney's plea that he not be impeached.

My first comment here, because one must give credit when credit is due. Respect +1

Joe,

You might be getting the hang of this snarky bloggie thing. That was a good first effort.

You are hereby awarded two merit badge points.

If you snark at a lefty, it's three DEMERIT points. This is very simple. Take it to heart.

When the right is united and trampling on our freedoms, attacks on fellow lefties is political stupidity of an order of magnitude that can hardly be described. I'll even suffer LaRouchies (insufferable idiots that they are).

Both Hitler and Stalin showed that saving the daggers for later was good timing (don't take this analogy too far, please). You, on the other hand, have not learned this lesson.

Excellent post, Mr. Klein. Now just keep it up for about 3 years and you'll be breaking even. But don't worry, it gets easier now that you've had a peek at the world without the Bush goggles.

Just keep asking yourself "How will these events really be viewed in 10 or 15 years, and what will I say I stood for when the grandkids are fully educated and asking the tough questions?"

Wow. This is a super post.

When Dick Cheney says ANYTHING, the response should be derision. He has not been right about anything at all, ever. He still seems to scare the crap out of some people, but he should be known to all as not merely creepy, but pathetic.

If Wolf Blitzer knew that was the new CW, maybe he would have gotten Dick to answer his question about his party fighting to make his daughter's life more difficult.

Joe,

You should put these type pieces in the mag and your attacks on Markos here on your little blog. Do you think Rick would allow it?

Joe Klein is a clock that is right twice a day.

Mr. Klein,

Well, I may be wrong. Judging by the comments,
your pander ploy is bearing fruit. Man, decent
people sure are easy to win over, aren't they,
Mr. Klein. A little flattery will get you
everything. Is that how you gained the trust
of Mr. and Mrs. Clinton? You perform a little
play casting yourself as the hero going man to
man with the Snidely Whiplash/Darth Vader of
your audience. Your motivation is that you are
shocked and appalled (Outraged, I tell you!)
at their villain. You attack the villain without
mercy, using the expected insults and hackneyed
"witticisms". Snidely/Darth is vanquished. Your
audience leaps to their feet with a thunderous
ovation. You bow humbly, pick up your roses,
and back slowly off, stage right. Another
successful performance of "Joe Klein Panders"
belongs to the ages.
In regard to your previous piece, what is bad
about "Bush bashing"? President Bush is
responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths;
the destruction, in every sense, of Iraq;
the total loss of respect for America by the
world; the greatest income inequality in history;
a badly broken health care system; and the
complete incompetence of the Executive Branch.
Mr. Bush is absolutely the worst president in
history. You don't want him "bashed", but you
are still bashing Senator Clinton with an
investment made 30 years ago. If you can't see
the absurdity of that, you ARE incompetent.
Also, if you are traveling with Mr. Edwards,
God help him! You are about to try to betray
another charismatic candidate and write another
"anonymous" "novel"!
Folks, you are being too kind to Mr. Klein. He
is a tried and convicted betrayer and lying
coward.

Way to go, Joke Line! Slam Cheney, everyone forgets you're a hack. I'd call you an evil genius, but I don't really believe you're either.

Proof positive that Klien is merely a tool of the Bush administration. Why should anybody bother to read this propaganda?

Good job, Joe!

Now if you start liveblogging you'll be moving in on my turf.

Hey, that was actually funny!!!

Thanks, Joe!

Oh, gooder... its about time!

Well done Joe. You've pleased the commenters no end here.

The sad thing for us in Oz is that the only people on the planet who'll agree with what Cheney said are W, Barney the Dog and John Howard.

And it my be my fevered imagination but even Barney seems have a "get me the hell away from these people" look on his face lately.

Wow! Not one post from a Repug calling you a traitor.

You must have really hit them with the truth on this one.

The turth hurts.

What needs to be done is for those here to get off their keyboards and disseminate the whole story to friends and neighbors. joe/jane public is still not participating as much as you would think considering the entire basis for our democracy is being threatened by the insane few.

(R) corruption only ensures future (R)'s cannot get elected. The "plan" was to gum everything to death, and allow the clock to run out.

Whatever happens, be patient, keep on point, do not let those draft dodgers get us into another war or keep us in one we shouldn't have gotten into in the first place.

If neocons persist, draft their children, have their precious sons and daughters fight alongside Prince Harry. At least he's willing to put his life where his country's commitment is. Until rich warmonger types are willing to take the risks like everyone else, they are shamed if they profit from it and our military and our poor deserve better.

Joe: an enjoyable read and to the point. Now copy this to Dana Bash at CNN. Thanks

It's funny how TIME doesn't even try to hide it's far-left liberal bias anymore.

Here's an idea. Jesus and Buddha and many another highly respected thinker all have put it on record that talk is better than bloodshed.

Far-far left.

Communism at the best.

Time Mag is no longer credible. Journalism as it worst.

"Here's an idea. Jesus and Buddha and many another highly respected thinker all have put it on record that talk is better than bloodshed."

No you may be wrong. Jesus and Buddha never said to their supporters that they have to be killed because far-left jackass in the media and in the DNC don't want to fight.

Jesus and Buddha spoke about freedom. And freedom has to be defended.

Jesus also said : "why do you claim you don't know what is right ?" which ruins the leftie relativism.

Stupidity, defeatism, relativism, endless talks lead to massacres and the defeat of freedom

Albert Camus : "false ideas always lead to blood, but it is always the blood of others, that's why the left is so used to propose the most stupid comments".

Shame on you Democrats, the only thing I tank you is because of you, we will lose this War on Terror, but because of you, the terrorists will strike cities where liberals live.

So you will pay, for once.

Ah jeez.

Laura Bush goes on the Today show to say about Iraq that the American people need to know that "no one is suffering more than their President and I do."

Did you get that? The woman is as stupid and delusional as her husband. What a STUPID arrogant callous thing to say. I definitely know that about 3,500 families are "suffering" more than these two morons.

from AmericaBlog. (remove the space in the url)
http://americablog.blogspot.com/ 2007/04/laura-bush-wants-you-to-know-that-when.html

Why all the tippy-toeing around the idiocy of Laura Bush? The big time media slimed Hillary Clinton at every opportunity, going so far as to put words in her mouth and accuse her of nefarious crimes. Yet this drugged out zombie who killed her boyfriend gets nothing but fawning and swooning no matter what moronic idiocies come out of her mouth.

Great! Now just cut and paste this into your weekly column at Time!

Joe, as someone who has criticised you in the past, I think you should know that I think this post was simply fantastic.
The impudence, the audacity of this man, Richard Bruce Cheney -- just who does he think he is?!

As Jefferson said, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.

More evidence of Republican imcompetence. This letter just shows that Republicans are completely and totally unable to be functional at any level. You see this scenario played out throughout the Exective Branch and the Legislative Branch as well.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/mcnulty-letter/?resultpage=1&

Lady Laura, the perfect step ford-ward for Bush, how she has suffered. My fav quote is when asked how she felt about W sinking poll numbers, she responded with 'everybody I know supports him.'

I caught Lady Babs 41 on LKL, surfing Mon., and she was saying how Mitt was such a good candidate because he was Mormon. Mormons are good people, they take care of their own and don't go on welfare. Not exact but as she was looking down her patrician nose and playing with her pearls she came close to the Katrina quote of welcoming the poor from NOLA to the better state of TX.

yee ha ha ha

I find it fascinating how you and the Democrats can so easily play politics with the lives of our soldiers and the security of our country and the west as a whole.

But, of course, you are a much deeper thinker than I. How about a different project? How about a “future history” project. Follow the path of America’s surrender and complete withdrawal by March 2008. Detail the consequences and paint a picture of the kind of mess my granddaughter will need to clean up after the cowardly Mr. Reid flushes the deaths of our soldiers down the drain and we bend a knee to the Islamofacists that clearly are stronger than Harry Reid. That’s not too far distant for a deep thinker is it?? Only 40 years or so. How much stronger will the Islamofacists be by then? How many of her children will be sacrificed because Harry Reid wasn’t tough enough to stand against them now?

So, what does Addie’s future hold?

I never thought I would see the day when Joe fisked a Cheney speech. Nice job.

Also, two thoughts occur based on comments upstream:

One, our Aussie friend Robert Beswick is right -- poor Barney. He didn't do anything to deserve these owners. One of the most charming and noble things about dogs is that they love their owners unconditionally even if they are, in human terms, moral monsters. For dogs they're still Mummy or Daddy. I like that. There's a kind of tenderness there.

Second, drzz must be a parody. Did he really just say Buddha and Jesus are about "freedom" rather than "peace", followed by an incoherent attack on the Democratic Party? Jesus "Love thy enemies" Christ and Siddhartha "Non-violence" Gautama, i.e, the Buddha? Is this guy serious?

Uh oh, it's quiet around here... Everyone brace themselves for a bizarre post.

drzz has no clue what's going on in the world. He gets all his information from the freerepublic, Newsmax, and Fox. So, he's clueless about the world (funny given his status as a french illegal alien. But that's beside the point).

I didn't know you caould read minds.

Your a fool.

Mr klein,
kudos for posting thought provking editorial on your blog.

In my view senstor Reid's stand on Iraq funding is pliable, shaky and politically motivated.He is a man of populist propaganda and has no ideology.senator Reid very much resembles the character of "Zimri" Dryden has delineated in his poem.Vice President has rightly called him defeatist.As a responsible senator he can ill afford to make misleading comments.Though he is uninformed he is most vocal about the issue and his language is unconstitutional.

In less than six months' time, Senator Reid has gone from pledging full funding for the military, then full funding but with conditions, and then a cutoff of funding.His totally unstable stand on such important issue shows and reflects his precarious mindset.

Senator Reid said the troop surge was against the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group. That is plainly false. The Iraq Study Group report was explicitly favorable toward a troop surge to secure Baghdad. Senator Reid said there should be a regional conference on Iraq. Apparently, he doesn't know that there is going to be one next week.It is crystal clear from the above that senator Reid is blissfully unaware of the facts and circumstances and "he is full of sound and fury signifying nothing ".

Reid should know that war in Iraq is not lost.US troops have liberated the people of Iraq from dictatorial regime.This philanthropic gesture of the United States at least should be upheld and appreciated at least by US senators.

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Joe, you're an insider.

Something is seriously wrong with the first lady.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_04_22_archive.html#3969404962733233820

Can you tell us what it is?

Or maybe do something to inform TIME's readership about the kind of people who are sending their kids off to die? Maybe throw a bit of passion in? Maybe give some sign that you're also sick and tired?

How about it, Joe?

...

I didn't think so.

We can not get out of Iraq, even if we will have a democratic party candidate as a president we will not leave Iraq before reaching our goal and the goal has not been reached yet.
The stuff of WMD's and Democracy is a dressing for public consumption. The reality is that we are running out of oil and we do not have enough supply in friendly locations to sustain us over next 50 years. We have to internationalize oil resources in Iraq and protect them afterwards.
So, if you are willing to cope with civil strife and economic depression in US in your life time, we should pull out of Iraq now.

W. Keller,

You're so right! Just yesterday, i had to fight off wicked Vietnamese people who were trying to force my daughter to learn their language!

Oh wait, you're talking about the Iraq War. My mistake. Just replace "Vietnamese" with "Iraqi".

In reply to the post from Nandlal K Pancholi, I would agree with a couple of points.

I agree Mr. Reid should *not* have said that the was in Iraq was lost, because that does indeed discourage the US troops who are fighting over there. As you say, in his position "he can ill afford to make misleading comments." The soldiers on the ground need to hear that their sacrifices are worth something.

I also agree that "US troops have liberated the people of Iraq from dictatorial regime." I was in Iraq with the Christian Peacemaker Teams in March of 2003, just before the invasion. Iraq was indeed a police state. We American visitors were warned that anyone we talked to would be interrogated, that our living quarters were probably bugged and we should act accordingly, and that we must never say anything even remotely political to anyone.

So I agree Saddam was dictatorial, to put it mildly. But I didn't and don't believe the US had any business invading that country unless we're also going to invade China, the Congo, and all the other "dictatorial regimes." I think we invaded Iraq because of the oil.

In any case, the benchmark gets pushed back and back every time we reach it. Having invaded Iraq to get rid of WMDs, we found there weren't any, so why didn't we leave? Or, having overthrown a "dictatorial regime," why didn't we leave? Now, having brought "democracy" in the form of an election to Iraq, why don't we leave? Is the presence of US troops in Iraq helping the people of the country? I see no evidence for it, and a lot of evidence to the contrary. Al-Sadr has made our US presence there the heart of his bloody insurgency.

Mr. Bush wants, I believe, to drag out the war until the next president is elected, so he (Mr. Bush) doesn't get blamed for "losing" Iraq. He doesn't care how many Americans or Iraqis have to die to save his ego. That's my definition of evil.

George Thomas, you're correct about the oil supply.

Unfortunately, we don't really have many choices, now do we? Do you have a strategy for avoiding civil strife here? Do you advocate annihilating the populations of all oil-rich countries,then sending hazmat-garmented contractors over to take the precious oil?

Do you think China might object? Maybe act to prevent such a move?

How about this choice: America the strife-torn, or America the genocide-initiator? Remembering, of course, that America the genocide-initator would in all likelihood quickly become America the irradiated?

Too bad we didn't listen to that peanut farmer back in the 70's, eh, George?

Looks like Morning in America might have passed into twilight.

As a news junkie since the tender age of fifteen,(1969), I was naive enough to think that I'd never see another Watergate, abuse of power, or another Vietnam war, no military victory or threat to American vital interest, again. Cheney/Bush has proven me wrong.

Snarky "translations"... a straight shot at one side with no faux-evenhandedness... Joe Klein is officially part of the crude, shrill blogosphere now. Congratulations, Joe!

Now, if you'd just get rid of the [expletive deleted] redactions and let a few F-bombs fly, you'll be a full-fledged team member. Wait there, and I'll go grab the robes and summon Atrios for the initiation ceremony.

Nicely done. That's first class push-back Mr. Klein. Any chance we can get that one in print?

Since this is one of my first times here, i'm surprised how much support our criminal president, ("i'm the deleter!) has on this board but we know that his "base" are the most wealthy and the most in denial, so now i've found a place to discuss. wish dana perino would respond but if not, might find some deny perditions here?

it will be fun here, i think.

The last civil war a liberal liked was the one in Haiti.

You know.

Something with a nice private beach, imported sandals, and few of those snippy working people.

Oh well.

HILLARY HAPPENS.

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. ...without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ... " “I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." SENATOR JOHN F KERRY (D, MA), in 2003

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."SENATOR TED KENNEDY (D, MA), in 2002

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." – NANCY PELOSI, in 1998

"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." – AL GORE, in 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), in 2002

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, in 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, in 1999

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, in 1998

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." – BILL CLINTON, in 1998

Saddam is dead, but we are still fighting his thugs, foreign and domestic.

A worthy fight, despite the liberal media noise and bellicose DNC sycophant calls for unilateral surrender.

Yeah! Hillary happens! she couldn't have happened if (R)'s weren't so stubbornly corrupt. yay!

"Mission Accomplished." - GEORGE BUSH, via banner, in 2003.

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended." - GEORGE BUSH, via piehole, in 2003.

Hey Primary Kooklas: Do you think a Dem. President would have been able to get away with continuing to wage a war in Iraq after it was dicoverd that in FACT, there were no WMDs or el quida conection or after waging a war so incompetently? He/she would have been impeached.

If Plame and Wilson were such Iraq geniuses, what was Saddam doing swapping oil-for-EU credits right under their lefty diplomat French sycophantic noses?

Anyone?

Hello?

The liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds, and their timelines know no facts.

re sonny pell grant's cnote

SCUDS shipped from NORTH KOREA (and intercepted by NATO) a month before the invasion were not potential WMD's?

Oosay & Koosay sending bio and chem techs to Taliban camps was not linked to Al Queda?

Wilson and Plame ignoring the oil-for-EU scam was not another liberal loss of diplomatic lefty merit?

Media clods ensconced in UN-approved Baghdad while Saddam continued to rape and pillage his nation and neighbors was not press duplicity in genocide?

Yikes libs.

Check those meds.

Really.

BTW, just saw deny perdition the presser. what a robot. she claims to have not heard about the impeachment articles and sneered just like Darth and "they do it every other week, don't they?" (not verbatim, but you get the idea, smirk.)

ha, funny, deny, i mean dana, you're a riot.

they must teach "Arrogance 101" at their little "skill camps".

If you attended "Messiah College" like a lot of these Bushie freaks seem to, Arrogance 101 is likely to be one of the few well-taught classes you've sat for.

Well, Joe's put his finger to the wind and realizes he needs some new "positioning" in the media mix. Funny stuff. What's next?

Oh and for all the usual wingnut assertions, do yourself a favor. Cite your sources of "facts". Helps with credibility; in short supply in the world of NeoCon...emphasis on Con.

Nicely done take down, Joe. From reading his piece in the LA Times, George McGovern has Dead Eye's number, too.

Good fisking, Joe...It's a neat little technique for deconstructing arguments, 'tho one must realize that showing the flaws in one part of an argument is not the same as proving the entire argument is flawed.

Having said that, you've pretty well captured the reasons why no one should be taking anything Cheney says seriously. He's thrown his credibilty away...

Thank you H Lee Angus for your balanced and rational stand and for endorsing my couple of views.In my view liberating Iraq is a heroic act.Oil factor be it there or not liberating a whole country from reign of terror any day is a good deed.If we go strictly by moral philosophy and ethical standards means should justify the ends and United States has not used any unfair means so far.People like Al Sadra who is an islamic cleric and is blinded by religious bigotary can never understand the value of freedom.If power falls in the hands of Al Sadra he would once again reduce Iraq to a quasi- fascist state and make it worse than what it was during Saddam's reign.Al sadra should be massively counselled and if he does not listen to the voice of reason,should be imprisoned and incarcerated because what sacrifice US has given in restoring rule of ballot in Iraq cannot be allowed to be undone by a a semi-literate cleric who does not have any idea what is good and what is bad for his country.We already have a precedent in what Talibans had done to Afghanistan.United states is not antagonistic to Islamic states.US has liberated both Afghanistan and Iraq from the reign of terror and has suffered immense losses of money and manpower for this noble cause.

In looks George W Bush is a nondescript person and his oratory skills have never impressed me.He speaks like a school boy.But his acts are so great that comparable only to Ashoka the great.He is the greatest of all US Presidents,greater even than Abrahm Lincoln.

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Cracks me up how paranoid (R)'s are getting. it's so much simpler to imply that a critic is un-amurkin or is on meds (hello, rush!) when it would be so much more of a debate if there were some realization of how much of a mistake you made when you voted repugnant-can.

i'd be mad too, but be mad at the cabal that lied to you, not those delivering the message. it IS fun to deliver the people's message, (yippee!) but we need to get going on impeachment so we can start over.

this nightmare has to end.

THEN we can work instead of pork.

So-called LaFollette progressive, concern troll mediocre milque-toast, you soil the name of our great legacy here in Wisco.

kp

I find it fascinating how you and the Democrats can so easily play politics with the lives of our soldiers and the security of our country and the west as a whole.

Did an actual able to purchase alcohol, firearms, prescription drugs, drive a multi-thousand pound vehicle adult actually write this? Are computers with internet(s) access being distributed in mental hospitals theses days? Do the 30%ers really realize how hypocritical they sound? And delusional?

"But his acts are so great that comparable only to Ashoka the great.He is the greatest of all US Presidents,greater even than Abrahm Lincoln."

You seem as ignorant of American history as you do of Indian history.

While I don't support the war, I do support a responsible withdrawal. I don't agree with Reid on immediately withdrawing. In addition, Reid's statement about issues we should be addressing instead of the Iraq War doesn't seem to gain much ground on reforming the path we are on now. Our government needs to change, not continue on with the same ideological mistake. According to the Borgen Project, we have already spent $340 billion on the Iraq war; endorsing other campaigns as fruitless as the war is a mistake.

To really get at the root of national security, global poverty needs to be addressed. The problem isn't terrorism, it's the extreme poverty that people live in that fosters the ideology. If our government really wanted to halt terror, war and genocide, it would spend money on helping lesser-developed nations grow economically. Supporting the Millennium Development Goals to end global poverty would be a big step.

Shrill. Funny, though. More like this.

Ten years from now, when the American empire has faded, energy is at the price it should be (yes, high, you fat dopes!) we will look back and laugh at the last rants of the spoiled, fat, yet still unhappy 20th century American.

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