May 3, 2007 7:58
LIVEBLOGGING: The GOP Reagan Library Debate
7:59PM: LIEBERMAN is there. At the right debate at least.
8:04PM: "If I determine a rebuttal is necessary..." Best line of the night; Matthews only thinks HIS rebuttal is necessary.
8:04PM: Who thought Matthews would be the FIRST one to invoke Reagan? Drink drink drink!
8:05PM: Rudy somehow ties "Reagan's optimism" with "the war on terror." Drink.
8:06PM: McCain seems angry. Prematurely. Premature angrylation. He also just quoted his own stump speech, somewhat haltingly.
8:07PM: Tommy Thompson and his GIANT EARS OF JUSTICE.
8:08PM: Duncan Hunter: "The key to winning in Iraq is standing up the Iraqi military." No, then they'll just get mad and not put out.
8:09PM: Not fond of the walking across the stage to hand-deliver the emailed questions. Also, what the f*** did Romney just say? "If we wanted a President who just followed the polls, all we'd need to do is plug in our TVs have them run the country"? What? TVs follow polls? Our polls think we're gay? Huh? Huh? Extraneous Reagan reference. Drink!
8:10PM: Brownback is wielding a pen. But he's just kinda holding it. It looks less like he's taking notes than he just forgot to put it down
8:12PM: Harris, please sit down. NO WALKING ACROSS THE STAGE UNLESS YOU'RE DELIVERING WATER.
8:13PM Huckabee wants us to listen to "the generals with blood on their boots." Wow, things are bad.
8:15PM: Oh, I'm sorry, was there substance? What I've learned so far: Reagan = good, terrorism = bad. Also, John Harris has super sexy walk.
8:16PM Ron Paul, the Howard Dean of the right.
8:17PM I have to say, I like how pissed McCain seems. I'd be pissed, too, if those countries kept naming themselves SO SIMILARLY.
8:22PM Rudy: "It's the worst nightmare -- nuclear weapons in the hands of an irrational person." Uh, yeah.
8:24PM It's the DEMOCRATIC pitch that "this is about one person," bin Laden? Who was buying that Osama toilet paper? Oh, but he recovers: "He will die."
8:25PM McCain will "follow bin Laden to the gates of Hell," or, you know, Ballston.
8:30PM Look at anti-Arnold guys! Maybe if Chris had named a foreign-born Republican who wanted to run for President...
8:31PM Romney loves America. His father, not so much -- he was born in Mexico, after all... since the family fled the U.S. in order to practice polygamy. What was the question about amending the Constitution again?
8:32PM Roe v Wade repealed? "It would be ok," says Rudy. Yeah, ok. Okay. You know, ok.
8:34PM "I've always been personally pro-life," says Romney. I have no further joke.
8:35PM Brownback is pro-80 percent pro-life Republicans. "I think life is one of the central issues of our day," he says. I THINK DEATH IS, Sam. DEATH. Like, you know, people dying. Speaking of which, "I hate abortion," says Rudy, even more than he hates controversial art. Or, the Saint suggests: "I hate abortion," says Rudy, even more than he hates ferrets.
8:37PM McCain has a great stump speech, but maybe he should not be quoting it now? He is pointing, tho. I like non-thumb pointing.
8:39PM Huckabee is all, like, presidential. Ron Paul needs a sandwich board and a megaphone. He and Gravel carpool together to these things, don't they?
8:41PM Romney: "I don't say anything to Roman Catholic bishops. They can do whatever the heck they want." Except bad things involving teenage boys.
8:42PM Yeah, Chris, let's play "gotcha" with Huckabee.
8:44PM Brownback just referred to his friend "Lieberman, a Jew."
8:45PM Hunter is for a fence, and "It's not that little scraggly fence you see on CNN." It's huge, massive fence. A REALLY LARGE, FIRM, STIFF FENCE.
8:47PM Tancredo wouldn't have Karl Rove in his White House. Also, "This is as close as I've ever been to Air Force One." Cherish it, Tom.
8:48PM Thompson (the one running) just cited his own popularity numbers. Drink.
8:50PM IMUS? Brownback manages to invoke IMUS? Also, SIT THE F*** DOWN, Harris.
8:53PM McCain. Angry AT THE LIGHTS.
8:54PM Tancredo: surprisingly not crazy sounding.
8:55PM Another thing I like about McCain: He'd rather just wrestle for it. And he has yet to suck up to Politico. What is it about Jim Vandehei that makes me want to punch him in the face? Nice guy, sure, but I ... just... want ... topunchhimintheface.
8:58PM Romney just completely dodged the stem cell question. Also, love Matthews making it ABOUT NANCY. Brownback: "We can't 'create people to cure people.'" CREATE PEOPLE? McCain says what most sane people think: let's try to cure people.
9:01PM Romney somehow reminds me of someone performing "karaoke debate." Are his lips moving? Nice tan, though.
9:03PM A word on the moderator: He's not sucking. At least his head is not exploding. Not "all pants are made in China now" quotes.
9:04PM Killed with a dull ax behind the barn. Brownback frightens me.
9:07PM Okay, who needs the lozenge?
9:09PM McCain would appoint "Lieberman, Lieberman, and Lieberman"? I thought he was anti-cloning. Personally, I'm anti-cloning Lieberman.
9:10PM There are Presidential candidates who don't believe in evolution. Their presence on the stage is not exactly much proof, is it...
9:12PM Rudy TOTALLY STUDIED for the Sunni/Shiite question. GOLD STAR.
9:13PM Ron Paul: "I trust the internet a lot more." Can I get that on a bumper sticker? Or as a pin for my tin foil hat?
9:15PM Rudy: "I try to look at the half full glass, rather than the half empty glass." You realize, Rudy, that there is only one glass, right? Okay.
9:17PM Rudy likes national ID cards, because you can then sell them in Times Square. Wait, what, now a fence? A "technological fence"? Okay, moving on. Romney just mentioned the Olympics, then said something about a card mentioning "their date." Hubba hubba.
9:20PM LIBBY QUESTION!!!!! Romney's tan distracts me. Now Chris is distracting me. Wait, Libby, ID, what? WHAT? Brownback is all about locking him up. Or is he? This is a bad 30 sec question. Also let's ask about SHOOTING PEOPLE IN THE FACE.
9:23PM Shooting people in the face or.... Schiavo. Romney against Congressional involvement. Interesting. He's really all over the f***ing place, isn't he?
9:25PM Laughs for a Bill Clinton question. This is what we in the comedy biz call "low hanging fruit." Huckabee pulling some kind of weird Arkansas mojo; he knows the Clintons better than anyone on the stage! Mental images unpleasant. McCain randomly namechecks Roberts. Uhm, ok. Rudy's answer: We elect a Democrat, we'll all die.
9:29PM I hate everyone.
9:30PM Oh, we can watch it again? Oh... oh... oh....
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Reader Comments (132)
McCain sounded like an incoherent crotchety old man that first answer. He was sputtering. That is not exactly the image he wants to give out.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:08 PM
Romney is gonna impress
Posted by Sami | May 3, 2007 8:11 PM
Who thought Matthews would be the FIRST one to invoke Reagan?
Me. Dude needs therapy. Wants a pretend Daddy so badly. He will ask one of the candidates if they can play catch with him before the end of the evening.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:12 PM
McCain just seems to be not sharp.
Ron Paul is a libertarian, not a real Republican.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:17 PM
'Huckabee wants us to listen to "the generals with blood on their boots." Wow, things are bad.'
Man, this bunch makes me really grateful for our founding fathers.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:19 PM
Rudy dares to call other people irrational? hysterical.
none of them are prepared, and it's all foreign policy so far.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:19 PM
Giuliani does a twofer gratuitous Reagan mention. He did better this question. Extra points for proper pronunciation.
He needs ferrets or second cousin marriage questions though to get him fiesty.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:20 PM
"Also, John Harris has super sexy walk."
Blech. Ana. Just BLECH.
And I found Jim Comey really attractive today - so my standards are NOT high.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:20 PM
Generals with blood on their hands?
To think I once thought that goober was gonna surprise everybody. I"m surprised all right.
I await the outrage of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists....
Is Lieberman there to offer to buy McCain a cup of coffee if Matthews decides to go home with Rudi?
Posted by Jim | May 3, 2007 8:21 PM
They asked about Edwards haircut. Anybody think Tweety will ask about the ferrets?
No way. Wouldn't be polite.
Losers.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:21 PM
I am totally upping my over on Karen's bet.
+100 on Reagan mentions - no problem.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:23 PM
Matthews: Mr. Giuliani, do you wear an all-in-one girdle or a corset under your dresses?
Matthews: Mr. Romney, do you get your tan at the same salon as Arnold?
Matthews: Which of you manly studs will be taking me home tonight?
; >
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:23 PM
That smile on McCain at the end, what was that all about?
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:23 PM
Romney's pretending he's Reagan, definitely.
Mr. Romney, you have changed your position of every single issue of importance to the GOP base-why?
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:26 PM
Romney chickens out, throws in a Reagan twofer, how pathetic.
He could have said he hated crime in America, or something.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:26 PM
All of these people except Paul=war with Iran.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:28 PM
Huckabee shouldn't be talking about boy scout camp considering his son got in trouble for torturing and murdering a dog as a scout master. This is the same son who just got busted for carrying a glock on a plane.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:28 PM
"8:25PM - McCain will "follow bin Laden to the gates of Hell," or, you know, Ballston."
haha..that's great
Posted by ILuvTheBeltway! | May 3, 2007 8:29 PM
It would be ok. Rudy? You are such a creepy sell out.
After challenging orthodoxy for decades, you get up here, and your answer is "It's ok"?
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:30 PM
war with Iran and forced breeding (except for their own wives and daughters, of course)
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:30 PM
Hey MSM, how do you like your country now?
Still want to talk about haircuts?
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:31 PM
Matthews: If states decided to reinstate slavery/forbid integrated education/stop women from voting/etc, would you be ok with that?
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:32 PM
McCain is more scripted than Hillary---far more.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:35 PM
Chris Matthews with the cab driver Reagan worship thibg. nost cabbies i knew in the 80's spoke broken english. Reagan didn't exactly unify the entire country either.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:37 PM
Jaysus, Matthews. Can you just PRETEND to be a journalist for one night? The Reagan worship is OFF the charts.
Please remember, Reagan thought a bunch of dead gay people was not a big concern. Christ.
Posted by andone | May 3, 2007 8:37 PM
Matthews is going home with Romney, definitely.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:39 PM
This is the Christian portion of the debate, obviously.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:41 PM
The people of faith thing is a sell out. Romney suggesting that we are about to elect a Rastafarian any day because we only care that people have faith, and not what their faith is, is really false on it's faith.
Scientologist/Muslim ticket will be in the White House any day now as we honor their faith. Yeah right.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:44 PM
Matthews is worse than useless--they're just ignoring him if they want to, and he's ok with it because they're all so dreamy in his eyes.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:46 PM
oh, i heard it's Grover Norquist who's the DC Madam's Thinktank person.
"Democrats do it too!" -- they're all 5 year olds.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:48 PM
Yea know, I actually thought Matthews might be okay tonight. After being reminded, just a few days ago, of his completely cringe inducing worship of Bush's package during the 'Mission Accomplished' fiasco - I thought maybe Matthews would throw a few hardballs.
No such luck. This lapdog, butt-kissing is humiliating. I am embarrassed for him.
Man, Matthews - have you no shame?
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:48 PM
Tip O'Neil needs to crawl out of his graves, become Zombie Speaker, and eat Tweety's brains.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:50 PM
"I hate abortion," says Rudy, even more than he hates ferrets.
There, fixed that for you.
Posted by The Saint. | May 3, 2007 8:50 PM
Four years into the war, and there isn't enough time for a grade. Coward Huckabee.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:51 PM
"Yea know, I actually thought Matthews might be okay tonight."
Why? He never is. (I actually still want to know what he owes Delay--he said he did on-air)
Karen should have done a pool for the most mentions of Politico--is that 1,000 already?
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:52 PM
omg--to 10 middle-aged and old white men: "Is racism a problem in our society?"
unbelievable.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:54 PM
Tommy Thompson, I want to be a uniter on race, but not for the homos. They shouldn't have jobs.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:54 PM
Politico = where Bush media lapdogs go to frolic and play.
Hey, could someone give those two Knight-Ridder reporters a big media job? Like, I don't know, Time reporter? Instead of Bill 'everything I say is exactly wrong' Kristol?
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 8:57 PM
Politico likes Tancredo--it figures.
Is the unfortunately named Brownback the only one still on his first wife in that crowd?
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 8:57 PM
Hey Tweety did ask the stem cell question.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 8:59 PM
i'm surprised--he framed it as a "will you slap Nancy down on tv?" thing.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:00 PM
Romney namedrops the Heritage Foundation???? funny.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:02 PM
Romney may be a mormon, but am I the only one who thinks he looks and sounds like s slick haired televangelist?
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 9:04 PM
"What is it about Jim Vandehei that makes me want to punch him in the face? Nice guy, sure, but I ... just... want ... topunchhimintheface."
He's the future Joe Klein? ; >
(you're the future Maureen Dowd, tho, for better or worse, i guess)
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:04 PM
He does, trifecta--he's playing to that crowd totally, i think, so they won't be scared of him. (Don't they think he's pagan or a cultist or something?)
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:05 PM
"What is it about Jim Vandehei that makes me want to punch him in the face? Nice guy, sure, but I ... just... want ... topunchhimintheface."
Ana, you have good instincts - you just have to learn to trust them. Vandehei is a complete tool. Well known fact in the blogosphere.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:07 PM
about him: "While still working at The Washington Post, Politico executive editor Jim VandeHei wrote "Broder is the best of the best. His columns are fair and illuminating." -- http://mediamatters.org/items/200704280002
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:10 PM
Romney is some good suckup.
Ahh! Rudy doesn't know the difference!
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:12 PM
StemCell, et.al., To Market To Market To Market to feed the fattened hawg, but McCave will get the pork.
Speaking of McCave he got Mrs. Reagan and Prisoner of War in with stem cells.
Posted by linda | May 3, 2007 9:12 PM
OMG. Three of the republican candidates DON'T believe in evolution.
HELP ME.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:13 PM
Giuliani can't do optimistic at all--it's funny. He can only do mean.
Romney wins the "Reaganesque fake niceness" award.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:15 PM
Giuliani - can't answer the Shia/Sunni question. Please turn in your Daddy/National Security card here, please. Snort.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:15 PM
ah! he mentioned cards, ann! : >
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:18 PM
9:10PM There are Presidential candidates who don't believe in evolution. Their presence on the stage is not exactly much proof, is it...
THAT is why she has a blog, ladies and gentlemen. Double bonus points to Ms. Cox.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:18 PM
What office would McCain appoint Lieberman Lieberman Lieberman to?
Posted by Jim | May 3, 2007 9:18 PM
Hey I WW, which canidates don't believe in Darwinian evolution?
Posted by John Reed | May 3, 2007 9:19 PM
8:55PM Another thing I like about McCain: He'd rather just wrestle for it. And he has yet to suck up to Politico. What is it about Jim Vandehei that makes me want to punch him in the face? Nice guy, sure, but I ... just... want ... topunchhimintheface.
I... I think I'm in love....
Posted by Anonymous | May 3, 2007 9:19 PM
i heard something the other day about how the border fence stuff is hurting their own cause--it used to be that people would come here to work for a few years and then go home, but now they have to stay here.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:20 PM
Huckabee is still married to the one and did another 'commitment' marriage ceremony while AR Gov.
Posted by linda | May 3, 2007 9:21 PM
ahh--thanks, linda. They must be the Christian right/"family values" picks, you would think.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:22 PM
This debate has been absoutely mindblowing--these guys are backward thinking war mongers who want to reward capital over labor. The poor, poor wealthy and corporations need money! Nuke Iran! We don't believe in basic tenets of modern biological science.
It is very hard not to resort to names here. I am simply astounded.
Posted by Beth in VA | May 3, 2007 9:22 PM
They are attacking Fitz? Could we trust any of these guys with the DOJ?
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:24 PM
(hey, wasn't Frist wanting to be on the stage tonight, speaking of Schiavo?)
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:25 PM
Tweety with the Clinton bashing again.
Isn't he supposed to be the moderator, and not the guy oogling the candidates to see who will look best in Bush's flight suit?
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 9:27 PM
Justices--like in Bush v. Gore in 2000? ugh.
They're lying about Clinton--he was far more on the ball about terrorism than Bush ever has been.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:28 PM
God, Tweety - stop it. We all know about your obsession with the Clenus and Hillary. Just ... oh man, this just ... we are in O'Reilly territory now.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:28 PM
Reagan grew the government and was a giant deficit spender! They're all full of it.
"The states"--it's nonsense-- and they themselves don't believe it when it comes to things they want done.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:30 PM
"on September 11... "
ugh
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:32 PM
Okay - so now we listen to Matthews simper about how manly all the republicans are ...
Pass.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:36 PM
Matthews seriously has some homoerotic/daddy issues. His Bush codpiece, Reagan, daddy worship is getting kind of creepy already.
Posted by trifecta | May 3, 2007 9:37 PM
"Matthews seriously has some homoerotic/daddy issues. His Bush codpiece, Reagan, daddy worship is getting kind of creepy already."
he totally does, and he's the only person on Earth who doesn't realize how visible it all is everyday. (i guess that why it's called "hardball" too? his whole existence is just barely sublimated sexual longings and submission fantasies--and don't forget his misogyny, esp about strong women)
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:41 PM
Matthews needs to seek therapy already. God.
Posted by annb | May 3, 2007 9:42 PM
This debate was a fiasco! Matthews and MSNBC should be ashamed. Matthews was in way way way over his head.
The Democrats should send Matthews & MSNBC flowers and a huge thank you!
Posted by JoeCHI | May 3, 2007 9:42 PM
Huckabee is a Southern Baptist Minister and has an educational chair at Ouachita Baptist University in Arkedelphia, AR.
Posted by linda | May 3, 2007 9:42 PM
But the GOP got presidential symbols as backdrop, and Reagan-ruboff. The Democrats didn't.
Whose decision was it to hold it in a place full of powerful symbols of the Presidency? and not just any presidency but the only popular GOP one at all in recent times?
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:45 PM
there's that famous saying of Rove's--he always sets things up as if they're on tv with the sound off. That's what happened tonight--they got presidential visuals, as opposed to the Dem debate.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:47 PM
even now, post-debate--they're talking, and right behind them is Reagan's name.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 9:50 PM
wow ana! great job! you ought to do THAT for a living!
Posted by paul_lukasiak | May 3, 2007 9:54 PM
Amberglow: that is a rhetorical question---right?
Oh, you forgot Nancy sitting in the front row.
Not one d*** question about how these great offensive coaches are going to rebuild the Military.
Boy, these scary hop from two loosing fronts into the third one and they have the licence.
I'm telling you that the Bush wing wants to build Romney into the new Reagan, which means that he is cut from the sell-out Cabal clothe.
Posted by linda | May 3, 2007 9:56 PM
The thought of one of these guys in the White House...really, really frightening.
Posted by Beth in VA | May 3, 2007 10:05 PM
If Time wants the Wonkette market, why don't they just buy Wonkette?
Real comments on the debate at the link.
Posted by My comments on the debate | May 3, 2007 10:05 PM
yup, linda...if MSNBC cared about appearing like real journalists instead of patsies and GOP stooges, they would have made the settings the same for both debates--they're the ones televising it after all. This was wholly a GOP advertorial, while the Dem debate wasn't.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 10:05 PM
I love the Tommy Thompson point. I could not help watching him and waiting for him to flap his wings and fly away yelling, "Tommy Thompson away!". I would never advocate making choices based on someones looks, but I could not help staring at his ears. My college advisor would beat me for progressing shallow ideas.
Posted by Matt | May 3, 2007 10:06 PM
ah! at Kos, they say Zombie Reagan won the debate!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/3/213255/4333
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 10:08 PM
Thompson looks to me like he lives under a bridge (both Thompsons do, actually).
Giuliani looks like Nosferatu.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 10:09 PM
OMFG.
What a collection!
JoeCHI is right. The Democrats whould be very happy tonight.
I fear I'll wake in a sweat about Brownback's blunt axe behind the barn.
Posted by Robert Beswick | May 3, 2007 10:17 PM
the British Daily Show guy was just visible on MSNBC in the background--they should have something good.
Posted by amberglow | May 3, 2007 10:31 PM
Hey, who tallied up the Reagan mentions? hic hic hic
Why wasn't this "debate" held at Regent University where all the kewl Gopers are edjamacated, like Ms. Goodling?
Why isn't NIXON's name ever mentioned? Do these folks not know he is the Godfather of the GOPers?
Why has the Dragon Lady become so revered in her dotage?
Someone shoulda, oughta, coulda taken Tweety out behind the barn and beaten him unmercifully with that damn dull ax!
This guy is totally, totally obscene.
Hey, Ana,
You did GOOD! I thought McCain was trying too, too hard and actually looked quite phony at least three times, one of them being when he claimed he was gonna chase Osama to hell. Why in the hell hasn't he already chased Osama to hell if he is capable of finding him? Shall we call Senator McCain our secret weapon? OK, I thought he actually looked pathetic! Remember this is someone I greatly admired in 2000.
Over and out!
Posted by ama | May 3, 2007 10:54 PM
Heh. All the freaks at the dead tree Time ought to just resign and let you write the whole thing Ana Marie.
Nicely eviscerated.
Posted by Roger | May 3, 2007 11:58 PM
After the Giuliani Sunni-Shia fumble, it is time to issue a written test to all candidates.
Please identify the below by Sunni (s), Shia (sh) Kurd (k): (more than one answer may apply)
Saddam Saudi Arabia etc.
Osama The Horn of Africa
Iran Egypt
Hamas Palestine
Hezbolla Lebanon
Kuwait Jordan
Pakistan Iraqi majority
Afghanistan Iraqi minority
Turkey Taliban
Syria Indonesia
What is the defining difference between the Iranian-Iraqi Shia besides the border?
Discuss the terms 'tribal areas'-'war lords' and their significance in fighting them 'over there'.
Posted by linda | May 4, 2007 12:07 AM
Why is Ana Marie Cox such a bitter, angry woman? She's like an even less talented version of Rosie O'Donnell. Chill out already!
Posted by California's Gold | May 4, 2007 12:22 AM
Matthews claims that "we" think our Constitution is "divinely inspired."
So it came from a focking burning bush, not from a convention of humans debating with one another?
Idiot.
Posted by Enceladus | May 4, 2007 12:39 AM
Referring to California's Gold...I think this is, perhaps, one of the most brilliant debate blog posts I've ever read. I'm a fan of Wonkette, so my views may be slightly biased. I challenge somebody, though, to refute the argument concerning Brownback's "dull ax" comment to be the creepiest debate comment ever.
Posted by N.D. Ukrainian | May 4, 2007 12:41 AM
My old governor Tommy Thompson looks like he's the heavily made up, decadent old man who disgusts Gustav von Aschenbach at the beginning of Thomas Mann's "Death in Venice."
Posted by Enceladus | May 4, 2007 12:46 AM
'What is it about Jim Vandehei that makes me want to punch him in the face?'
See, that's relating to the reader Ana...I always feel like punching members of the MSM in the face.
Posted by arch stanton | May 4, 2007 12:50 AM
Hey, Ana, don't be hating on Ballston. Besides, no one except a Beltway insider -- which nowadays is BAD -- will ever get that.
(8:25 p.m. comment)
Posted by has friend in Ballston | May 4, 2007 12:55 AM
Ana,
The voice of Wonkette is back! I have been missing it. Keep it up and don't get so caught up in Time, Inc. After all, they are paying for you to be distinctive.
Posted by Barney | May 4, 2007 1:29 AM
The whole debacle reinforces my prior conclusion that Republicans, well, just aren't very bright. Especially this bunch. They are stupid as a bag of hammers. Jeez. Out of touch with reality, and not a modicum of intelligence. And really, does anyone think that McCain is, um, a dimming bulb?
Not surprising is Harris sashaying around on stage carrying Republican's water. Please DO punchimindaface, Cox. Harris, Pool Boy and Mike Allen have carried their water for years. And the googly-eyed, adoring Matthews with his decidedly homoerotic fixation on All Those Manly Republicans.
Thanks for watching this dreadful theater so I didn't have to! And blessedly, it looks like MSNBC isn't going to release it for public consumption either. Betcha it shows up somehow, somewhere, on the internet tubes. The choice parts.
Posted by James, Los Angeles | May 4, 2007 1:29 AM
This whole BLOG has bot to be a sick joke....! wake up America , or do you not care about our future?
Posted by d'Ann | May 4, 2007 2:19 AM
Award for the most delusional foreign policy statement?
POP QUIZ; Who said they looked into Reagan's eyes and let the hostages go?
"Let my people go"
Posted by linda | May 4, 2007 3:57 AM
AMERICA NEEDS AL GORE IN 2008
If you haven't already done so, please take a moment to send a letter to Al Gore. It will only take a few minutes and cost you just one stamp. It doesn't have to be long, it could even be just a few sentences..
" American's need your integrity, your leadership your insight and your experience. You were our choice in 2000 and you are our choice today. Please run in 2008 and take your rightful place as the next President of the United States."
If you voted for Gore in 2000, please write him. If you believe that global warming is the most serious issue facing our world today, please write him. If you believe that ending the War in Iraq means that we must have a leader who can make the right choices, please write him.
Al Gore needs to know that you support him. Your influence will get him into the race. Your letter has a personal touch and its meaningful. Letter writing is something that everyone can do, right now!
Here is Al Gore’s official mailing address:
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2100 West End Avenue
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Please forward this to everyone you know who can help our cause.
Posted by Fran McDonald | May 4, 2007 6:31 AM
Ana, you can write. No doubt about it. There is some funny sh#t in just about every line.
Posted by Jake Gittes | May 4, 2007 8:19 AM
"8:08PM: Duncan Hunter: "The key to winning in Iraq is standing up the Iraqi military." No, then they'll just get mad and not put out."
Hilarious! :)
Posted by thenekkidtruth | May 4, 2007 10:17 AM
Ron Paul is the only candidate who has a chance to fix the blatant problems of our government. I only hope the rest of america wakes up to this Left/Right paradigm lie and realize that Dr. Paul is the only one up there who stands for truely honest politics.
McCain looked like a deer in some headlights up there, I've rarely seen a more detached person yammering canned responses.
Posted by Jeremy Epps | May 4, 2007 10:29 AM
Yeah, and we really need Al Gore (sarcasm). Global warming is going to murder us all! Dont worry guys a global carbon tax is the only way to save this planet! Other than the fact that all the carbon tax profits will be going to the same corporations and people who are destroying the planets environment in the first place.
Problem, Reaction, Solution at its finest...
Posted by Jeremy Epps | May 4, 2007 10:36 AM
There is a lot of Funny Stuff here......
But I'd give the Hats-off LMAO award to:
Fran McDonald
May 4, 2007
AMERICA NEEDS AL GORE IN 2008
......I can't breathe
Posted by David B., tiny_red_dot, Massachusetts | May 4, 2007 11:00 AM
Hey Trifecta:
"Huckabee shouldn't be talking about boy scout camp considering his son got in trouble for torturing and murdering a dog as a scout master. This is the same son who just got busted for carrying a glock on a plane."
I went to college with the kid, and he actually got in trouble for using his student gov't position to steer money towards "companies" that he ran to build bonfires, parties, and other campus events.
He also said in an interview he went to Arkansas State "for the duck hunting".
The funniest thing I can remember of him is one day when I was swimming in the pool at the college's apartment complex. Huckabee walks out to the pool and starts throwing in plastic duck decoys. After a while I ask him what the hell he is doing. He responds "well, I had to test them out."
Posted by Hillrod | May 4, 2007 11:14 AM
The only question that needs asking IS
Given Iran's arming of Shiite militias with EFP's, why haven't we bombed Tehran back to the stone age?
I'll vote for the candidate that agrees he'll smoke them as his first act as POTUS.
Posted by Bows and Flows of Leftist Crap | May 4, 2007 12:23 PM
Check the score, who got more. Ron Paul won the debate.
Posted by David Werntz | May 4, 2007 1:45 PM
Ten Republican old men looked like fools on national TV. Back to their base in comments, anti-abortion, gay-bashing, Reagan-gushing, tax-cutting. Talk about detached from reality! This country has slid backwards for 6 years and the world's problems are not being addressed. Why are they all afraid to speak truth? Frankly, I hope they keep it up; it will hand a landslide to the Dems in 2008.
Posted by Shirley from FL | May 4, 2007 2:21 PM
Romney obviously came out on top if you read any or all of the national media articles this morning. I have just accepted that he is more intelligent than the other republican candidates, whihc may not say a lot. I expect Giuliani to continue his free fall in the polls, and McCain won't be the guy, either. It's gonna be Romney - I hear the bandwagon loading now.
Posted by greggy | May 4, 2007 2:41 PM
I'd like to hear more from Ron Paul. A candidate like that could just about make a guy switch to voting republican instead of democratic, specially if the dnc insists on jamming Hillary down our throats. Lets see if the media pics up on the latest voting on the winner of the debate.
Ron Paul.
Posted by uncle Jimbo | May 4, 2007 2:54 PM
Funniest thing I have read in a long time, Ms. Cox.
Crying funny.
Bravo.
Posted by Ross Smith | May 4, 2007 2:57 PM
RON PAUL WON. STOP TRYING TO HIDE THE POLE YOU NEOCON FILTH.
Posted by DAVID | May 4, 2007 3:10 PM
Seems like Ana has something against Romney. And what is with using swear words? Not very professional if you ask me.
Posted by Brittany | May 4, 2007 3:40 PM
Thank you Duncan Hunter for being strong on the ONLY ISSUE THAT MATTERS IN THIS ELECTION-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Abortion, evolution, war...yawn. These issues are soooo 20th century. Meanwhile we are at war on our own soil and few have the guts to talk about it much less DO SOMETHING about it. BTW, get it straight Immigration and ILLEGAL immigration are TWO different things. Don't insult those law biding citizens that did things correctly.
Posted by Todd | May 4, 2007 3:47 PM
There you go again, Mitt:
May 04, 2007
Romney's Debate Flip-Flop
Deal Hudson
http://dealwhudson.typepad.com/deal_w_hudson/2007/05/romneys_debate_.html
I sent out an e-mail to about 60 Catholic leaders around the nation this morning asking what they thought of the debate. Several of them brought this one issue to my attention:
During last night’s debate host Chris Matthews asked former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney his opinion on whether or not the bishops should deny communion to pro-choice catholic politicians. Here was Gov. Romney’s response: “I don’t say anything to Roman Catholic bishops. They can do whatever the heck they want. Roman Catholic bishops are in a private institution, a religion, and they can do whatever they want in a religion.”
This answer represents a significant shift in Gov. Romney’s position. As governor of Massachusetts, Romney ordered Catholic hospitals to administer emergency contraception to women who claim they had been raped.
According to the Boston Herald on December 9th, 2005, “Gov. Mitt Romney abruptly ordered his administration to reverse course yesterday and require Catholic hospitals to provide emergency contraception medication to rape victims. In a turnaround that foes derided as politically motivated, Romney directed his Department of Public Health to scrap rules that exempted the Catholic institutions from a new law governing the medicine.”
This in and of itself represented “an Olympic-caliber double flip-flop,” according to a Herald editorial, as it represented a reversal of Romney’s original position.
Now it appears Romney is back to limiting the government’s ability to bully the Church.
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Posted by YankeeClipper | May 4, 2007 3:54 PM
Ron Paul won easily, he is not a stuffed suit for the establishment (Military IC) He may actual get us back to what made us great in teh past.
Posted by D. Hull | May 4, 2007 4:19 PM
im democrat, but would vote for ron paul if given the chance. liked everything he had to say. they were his own words not from a coach like everyother candidate. ron paul is the man.
Posted by dan | May 4, 2007 5:16 PM
"RON PAUL WON. STOP TRYING TO HIDE THE POLE YOU NEOCON FILTH."
First off, I would like to say that I love this comment and would readily adobt it as my own. Second, the media needs to stop acting like every single person up there is for the war. Ron Paul isn't and never was. They also need to stop discrediting him just because he's not Romney, Giuliani, or McCain. I thought people were supposed to get elected on the issues, not on how much money they can raise for their campaign. Let's get an M.D. in the White House instead of the regular greedy, irrational politician. Go Ron Paul!!!
Posted by Derek | May 4, 2007 5:47 PM
Romney is the true pro life candidate. Look at his great family. To put power before family, as most candidates do, contributes to death.
Posted by Robert Decell | May 4, 2007 6:35 PM
Ana, your best drinking and watching and writing article yet. Better than Wonkette!
Posted by roger | May 4, 2007 7:17 PM
Ron Paul won this debate period. Look at the opinion of MSNBC, when it sizes up thing such as "organization, funding," and so forth as to whether someone is apt to have winning chances.
Well the American people get sold down the river when they cheer the guy with the most money, where derogatory campaigns make the winning machine votes seem plausible.
But we the people are smart, we know that, and we are not going to vote for the guy with the most money from defense contractors, pressure group lobbies feeding warmonger fantasies. In order to win the next candidate will have to win most all the paper ballots. Are the people going to vote for candidates heavily funded by big oil, just because of the money and organization it offers?
Have a nice day filling up your car today.
We the people want a much more ordinary person than someone swimming in money and no bid contracts like Scrooge McDuck.
Posted by Skip | May 5, 2007 12:55 PM
After reading the comments above, and the media comments today, there was a clear winner.. it wasn't Thompson, Mccain or Rudy... sorry. Trying to be completely unbiased, Mitt Romney was the clear winner with his witt, intelligence, and intelligence. He seemed excited, and just lead the field. Right answers on Health Care, we need it but not by the gov't, Stem Cell, and with a strong national defense. His desire to move an economy should intrigue us all as he has taken businesses and governments in trouble and turned them into winners with surpluses. I think he won my vote tonight... and I'm going out on a limb and feel he will pull of a Clinton 92 come outta no where to win his parties nomination. Romney in 08.
Posted by Michael | May 6, 2007 12:54 AM
Mitt Rommney? seriously? I felt Ron Paul was the winner. very inteligent, superb track record, and he honestly believes in the constitution. he is the only canidate that i think is running becasue he wants to better America.
Posted by jim | May 6, 2007 3:59 AM
I will vote for the man who advocates closing the borders to illegals, defending our nation,and pushes for a fair tax.
A fair tax is on items sold and getting rid of all other taxes and the IRS. (a national sales tax)
(the president only signs or vetoes legislation),
I am a Mormon and I will vote for the candidate who supports the Constitution, Bill of Rights, Family Values, and above or the one who pledges the most of these issues. Not necessarily Romney! It could be anyone, EVEN a Democrat but that would be a longshot.
Of Americans, 50% are registerd to vote. The others are content and don't care unless election results could affect them directly.
of Voters
1/3 of Americans are Nuts, left and right,they are set and nothing will change their mind. see Rosie O'Donnell and August Kreis III .
1/3 are like sheep who follow any wolf in sheeps clothing and do nothing to educate themselves.
1/3 are careing, though on opposite sides of fence. Of the last 1/3 they can change their mind because they will listen to other side and weigh evidence.. This is the group that determines most elections.
Reading above posts confirms that those with most Hate are most fixed in views. Those who are "blind, but will not see," "Deaf, and will not hear" because they Do not want to see or hear. jerry
Posted by uncommonsense | May 7, 2007 4:24 PM
If you don't mind me saying....where are the 'classy' people in America. Does anyone have a stitch of "gratitude" for anything...even America? Why don't YOU stand for something and go do a better job. Mockery never took talent and will never prevail in the end. It is just a little bit of history repeating itself. Let your light so shine before men...is that so hard??
Posted by ANTI-NEGATIVE | May 16, 2007 12:19 AM
i LOVE YOU ANTI-NEGATIVE.....YOU ARE THE FIBER WE NEED MORE OF IN THIS HATEFUL WORLD! I WILL VOTE 4 YOU!
Posted by AGREE | May 16, 2007 12:22 AM
I SECOND THE MOTION...........CAN WE NOT START LIVING AND BEING ALL THAT WE SO CRUDELY EXPECT OF OTHERS? ARE WE NOT ALL BEGGERS AND WHO AM I TO JUDGE?
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Posted by libya | September 23, 2008 4:29 AM