That's Hagelian!

What has Hagel actually done? For years he has voted with Bush, and only now that the Dems are in control of Congress and Bush's approval ratings are worse than Nixon's has he stood up for his convictions and stopped toeing the party line. Come on, Joe, a Democratic Senator in his position would be accused of political opportunism, and rightly so. It's easy to do the right thing when its politically convenient, much more difficult to do so when it means standing up to your own party.

"I've always had this sneaking suspicion that John Kerry asked the wrong Republican to join his ticket in 2004"

Good Gravy!

Except Kerry didn't ask mccain. joe couldn't even get through the first sentence. Disappointed but not surprised.

Take away Iraq, and Hagel is as conservative as they come. Don't you think Dems stand for anything other than getting elected?

Holy crap, you're an idiot.

Not since the MSM collectively hallucinated a unicorn and named it a maverick (St McCain) has there been such a popular myth as Chuck Hagel's "courage".

One good line about selling shoes does not a hero make.

Hegel/Hagel made for some of the cleverest comedy in a long time. Bravo!

That being said, I don't want Chuck. He still needs to explain to me how a CEO of a voting machine company won over heavily, *heavily* favored Democrat Ben Nelson.

The nation doesn't need right-wing appeasement. It needs to be taken waaaaaay to the left to be where the people are.

Until recently when he actually starting voting differently on Iraq, Hagel has literally been the most loyal voter for the President's agenda in the Senate.

There are enough things that Bush does badly that Hagel can be damaged with in a general. He would seriously split the GOP vote. His social views would not be generating much democratic enthusiasm when they became well known.

His pro-life, anti gay views though would peel GOP voters if say Rudy was the nominee.

Thesis: Hagel is a right-winger with more than average political sense to see the doom in follwing the Bushian "Stay the Course" policy.

Any Democrat putting him on the ticket is losing just by doing so. They are letting right wing policies get more credit than they deserve.

Joe, get real. Read the above commenters and then look at this guy's voting record. Hit the ball, Alice, and skip the mushrooms.

If Hagel and McCain had an ounce of the "courage" that the MSM is always attributing to them, they would get their asses out of the Republican party.

I think this idea has some merit. Hagel is what McCain pretended to be: a conservative who actually cares about the country. He may be the only one.

Joe - Your desire for the Democratic Party to at least appear more conservative and at most become more conservative is difficult to understand. For one thing, the Dems do not need it this cycle to get elected; there is nothing the Dems need from the conservatives other than a continuation of failed conservative policies. For another, there has not been a single Republican that has shown any form of courage or character in the past six years. Tenet didn't resign; Colin Powell didn't refuse to give the UN presentation; Specter and Hagel were non-entities except maybe in private conversations where it was useless. And do not get me started on McCain.

I believe that you, and others who wish for some type of cross-pollination between the parties, have fallen under the spell of those that want you to fear Democrats. Please allow time for a little introspection on that.

Alterman today:

"It'll be a long time before Atrios is as influential as Joe Klein and an even longer time -- think infinity -- before Klein is as honest and accurate about the world as Atrios."

How about an all Republican ticket: Lieberman/Klein '08.

The campaign slogan, "Thousands of Iraqi Children Deserved To Die Because The Left Isn't Serious." Or shorter, "Joef*ckyourselves."

Note to Joe Klein....There are no Rockefeller republicans left. They are extinct. Even Senators Snowe and Collins of Maine are right of center.

Welcome to the twenty first century.

Besides, the Democrats can win this on their own notwithstanding the MSM.

Next big story for the MSM...the brokered Republican convention, where Jeb Bush is crowned with the nomination. Conventional MSM wisdom indeed! Bah!

Looks like Hagel will have a chance to earn that reputation he's got. If he can persuade some of the cowards like Specter, Snowe and Warner to vote with the Democrats on this one, I'll concede he's got something more than a Roundtable Schtick going for him.

"Harry Reid just spoke on the Senate floor, revealing that he'll allow a vote this week on the Feingold-Reid amendment, which would cut off funding for the war by March 31, 2008."

Hagel should just run in the Republican primary. He's pretty much a down-the-line Republican on most issues. This is going to be one long primary campaign. If sentiment even among Republicans turns anti-Iraq War he could win, with the other candidates boxed in a corner by their prior statements. That's his best shot, anyway.

Announce it before the primaries? Surely that would be a dumb move. Announcing that you have a Republican as your veep choice is only going to hurt you (badly) in the Democratic primaries. It may or may not help you in the general -- probably does help -- but surely it would be anathema in the primaries.

Joe, that was far too succinct for old Georg Wilhelm Friedrich. ;)

Hegel votes spinelessly. Look past the rhetoric, look to actions. He has, admittedly, posed well in the past few months, but that ain't enough.

I admit that this post may be largely facetious. Still, why fantasize a Democratic ticket with far-right Republicans on it? It's untethered to public opinion and facts on the ground.

Why would a Democrat want to run with a Republican on the same ticket when instead, the Democrat could run with ANOTHER Democrat (amazing idea!) and still win.

Terrapin-- Ron Paul is a Republican who has spoken out consistently against the war. And maybe add Brent Scowcroft to the list, if he's eligible.

Doesn't mean I'd vote for either of them for president, but it does mean that there was one elected Republican in the US who has shown courage and foresight on this issue in the past 5 years. I don't think there are any others.

'Chuck Hagel is a terrific national resource ... who has taken a courageous path away from his party on Iraq'.

Wow! A politician who (finally) aligns himself with the majority of the population rather than his own party's unpopular position. What bravery! Too bad we didn't see any of this kind of bravery from him when his party was still winning.

Why is it that pseudo-liberals like Joe always fall in love with Republicans when they act a little bit like Democrats?

What a perfect crystallization of High Broderism! If Joe Klein existed only as a fictional character, people would think he was too predictable to be interesting.

"Note to Joe Klein....There are no Rockefeller republicans left. They are extinct."

Actually there is one and I have not voted for a Republican for major office in years. Living in PA, I said the benefit to my registration was that it gave me the advantage of being able to vote against Rick Santorum twice.

That said, when Hagel first began speaking out against the war, he caught my attention. Then I looked at his voting record and said no way.

As others have said, why on earth would a Democrat put him on the ticket? In spite of GWB's efforts, this war isn't going to last forever. Why would you want a VP so opposed to everything your party stands for? And, there is the "only a heartbeat away."

Third party probably won't do it -- although I was a John Anderson voter -- but who knows what the Repub field will look like after people get to know the real Rude-y. Maybe Hagel would have a chance there. In spite of the Repub adoration of actors, I don't think that Fred T is even as good as Ahnold -- and I couldn't stand St. Ronnie.

This country is smart enough to know the last thing it needs after 6 years of conservative rule decimating our economy and our national security is another republican. Having a republican on the ticket after years of republican failure simply shows weakeness and uncertainty over your ability to lead. Why would any democratic be ashamed of being right when the republicans have been wrong on everything for the six years they have been in power.

Why in the world would the demorcrats want to "moderate" their ticket?

Joe, wake up! The 1990s are over. Only you beltway people believe democrats have to apologize and hide who they really are.

Time for a new narrative. This one is so old....

I don't think we need Hagel, Joe. While I do admire him at times, I surely would not vote for him. He is much too conservative and too much of a rubber-stamper for Bush--except where the Iraq war is concerned.

We are doing just fine, Joe, without any GOPers mixing with the Democratic ticket.

Agreed on the problem of hyperpartisanship, Joe-- I hope Pres. Obama nominates people like James Comey and Jim Leach to important positions.

But I still don't see why Hagel deserves boatloads of credit for noticing obvious, essential facts (and sometimes even acting on it!) earlier than the most delusional Republicans.

Centrism is a poor moral norm when one of the two parties is completely out of its mind.

If you think Dems need a conservative guy with military experience on the ticket, look to Sen. Webb.

> As Bush has proved, you can only govern
> this country successfully from the center.

Bush - or perhaps more precisely, Cheney and Rove - has accomplished 93% of what he set out to do when he took office: loot and destroy the federal government, seed true believers throughout federal offices, drive solid professional career civil servants out of government service, outsource as many federal functions as possible, appoint hard Right Radical Supreme Court justices, transfer unbelievably large amounts of money to his friends and political supporters. And invade Iraq, although they didn't get all they hoped for from that one (quite a bit though - just not the brass ring).

I doubt that any "centrist" Democrat, particularly one with a Republican VP in tow, will get anywhere near that record of accomplishment in the next 75 years.

Cranky

As far as Hegel in particular, could you point me to his oversight work from 2002-2006? Thanks.

Cranky

But Hagel does have the ES&S connections...

Shorter Joe Klein:

"The only way Democrats can truly succeed is by nominating conservative Republicans."

I have to admit it: you do crack me up.

Joe,

Bush has ruled very successfully from the fringe. He has gotten everything he has wanted, in part due to a cowered media afraid to call him on it, and 6 years without congressional oversight.

What has Bush tried to accomplish that he has been ultimately done? His rule has been extrememly effective and he has accomplished policy wise everything he has wanted to, other than privatizing social security.

The problem Joe is the things he wants are good for the top 10% of the economic spectrum and terrible for everyone else. However, anyone paying attention know that was his priority all along, and he has accomplished it.

Joe, the country needs strong progressive leadership. Its about policy, and bad policy (see Bush) leads to bad results. Good policy will lead to good results. Moderate policy after 6 years of unchecked conservatism will do nothing but leave the country moderately conservative, which is not what we need to undue the disaster of the Bush presidency.

Joe - I do not believe that the Dems need a conservative on the ticket in order "To win bigger and to have a better chance of governing successfully." Democrats can govern. They did it for forty years before the GOP came in and wrecked the place.

Why do you have such confidence in the conservative brand? I worry that you are lagging behind the nation in this one. Multilateralism has always been a liberal idea and will only be perceived as centrist if you and other pundits label it that way in your articles. The Dems do not need to be perceived as centrists to win and govern successfully. What they need is for pundits to stop running with the old GOP narrative and start telling the truth about a vibrant, growing and energetic movement that has stared at the abyss presented by the true face of conservatism and has turned back.

Elvis Elvisberg - Thanks for the tip. I am more than willing to laud those of either party that show some form of honor and courage.

Joe - I also want to echo the others above who have stated that the Bush Presidency has been extremely successful - it has accomplished nearly everything that it set out to do. The problem for the nation is that what it set out to do is bad for the nation.

Now, you might be able to put together a list of things that have gone wrong in the past six years and say that they are failures of the Bush administration. I would take that same list and say that those items are failures of conservatism.

For example: Katrina was not a failure of the Bush administration. Katrina was a failure of conservatism. Conservatism would say, "hey, those people were warned! They shouldn't expect us to rush on in there and save them from their own mistakes! And if they steal for food and supplies then they will be shot on sight because conservatism cares about property rights!"

The reason that our government has failed to govern is because the institutions have been undermined by a conservative party with an authoritarian mindset. The Judiciary was cowed by literalists; Congressional oversight was suspended on the ropes of party loyalty and the mighty, independent Fourth Estate was bribed and bullied into compliance. Not to mention that the enormous wealth and credit of the most powerful nation on the planet was recklessly spent, privatized or outright transferred to the wealthiest people in the world. Everything Bush wanted, Bush got. The Bush Presidency was extremely successful for conservatives.

The Dems will govern successfully because they practice actual democracy. They represent myriad peoples from all kinds of backgrounds. They must work to build consensus and listen to all citizens needs. Yes, it is messy but it is necessary. It is democracy.

The Dems do not need to look outside the party to indulge the centrist need of the pundit class. There are plenty of center-right people already there.

"As Bush has proved, you can only govern this country successfully from the center."

Whaaa? Since you can't possibly be arguing that Bush governed as a centrist you must be arguing that Bush hasn't been able to accomplish anything. Rubbish:

~~~Quote

Bush leveraged a national tragedy into reelection. He’s seeded the federal government with true believers, expanded executive authority while marginalizing Congress and appointing 2 radically conservative SC judges. He’s expanded government surveillance of our phones, e-mails, library borrowings, bank accounts and medicine cabinets. He’s stalled efforts to curb global warming, cut protections once provided by the EPA, FDA, and silenced scientists who dare refute the literal word of bible or the backward beliefs of those who claim to know the mind of the almighty. The US can now torture, imprision without providing cause and prosecute without allowing a reasonable defense. He’s built bases in the middle east, and fattened the bank accounts of those whose bank accounts were already obscene. The middle class — the masses — have not been so economically impotent in decades.

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/10568.html#comment-219593
(via Digby)

~~~End Quote

It's going to take several years of a partisan Democratic Presidency to simply undo the damage wrought by the supposedly unsuccessful Bush. Our country desparately needs a President elected with that mandate.

As to your core proposition: Why is it always formulated that a Democrat needs a Republican running mate to be successful and never the converse? Why is it always the Democrats who must compromise their principles for "bipartisanship" and never the Republicans?

This whole post is nonsense.

If there was a big center then Hagel would be running as a proud Republican, and Rudy McRomney would all be incredibly popular among both GOP primary voters and regular voters instead of losing in every single poll, and causing them distress.

The American people are not in the center, because the GOP pushed that center way way too far to the right in their incessant catering to psychos. The majority of Americans are with Democrats on all big issues. Democrats don't need to run with any Republican.

As Bush has proved, you can only govern this country successfully from the center.

Define "successfully". Bush got a lot of things he wanted -- he invaded Iraq, cut income + estate taxes for wealthy taxpayers, gutted environmental regulations, violated laws he didn't like (e.g. wiretapping in violation of FISA), put the DOJ increasingly under his political control and so on. Plus he got reelected to a second term. So in many ways Bush was "successful" on his own terms, despite not governing from the center.

What's actually far more likely than any Hagel run is an extreme rightwing candidate running on some religious ticket explicitly to take away the GOP base because none of their frontrunners are acceptable by them.

What if Chuck Hagel ran w/ Katherine Heigl? She's on a popular TV show, has a starring role in a high profile movie coming out this summer...AND she's a centrist! Rumors persist that John Kerry asked Heigl's Grey's Anatomy co-star Patrick Dempsey to be his running mate in '04...did John Kerry ask the WRONG Grey's Anatomy star? I'm sure you're right Joe, there must be plenty of Dems who would love to run w/ a republican, I mean who wouldn't want to bask in the aura of republican accomplishment. Really, really good column Joe.

Let me remind you of what Republicans think of bipartisanship. 'Bipartisanship is another name for date rape' -- Grover Norquist.

Norquist went on to say: 'We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals -- and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship.' The Republicans certainly succeeded in achieving their goal.

Conservatives in congress never showed any inclination towards bipartisanship until they lost power. Bush still shows none.

If the Democrats in congress choose to favor Republicans with more bipartisanship than they received, I can accept that and see it as an honorable application of principal over pragmatism. But they'd be foolish to expect the favor to be returned when the Republicans return to power.

Until Republicans demonstrate (through their actions) a willingness to act in a bipartisan fashion, and to treat their opponents with respect, a bipartisan ticket is foolish and doomed to failure. Any Democrat thinking of going on a 'date' with a Republican should keep Norquist's warning in mind.

Hagel, like Specter, is a professional contrarian. He plays one on TV (the Sunday pundit shows), but when it comes time to actually vote he invariably falls back into the Republican line.

Why does he do it? Because he knows being contrarian will get him lots of good press from the "oh we need more centrists" people in the media (like Joe Klein) who are then to lazy to follow through and realize he is more talk than action.

Mr. Klein,
>>Why would a Democrat want to run with a Republican...?
>To win bigger and to have a better chance of governing successfully.

This statement must be the acme of all concern trollism. Just, well, wow.
Anyone with an R behind their name nowadays wears it like an anchor, not a laurel.

>As Bush has proved, you can only govern this country successfully from the center.

And, statements like this prove Mr. Alterman's case in your disagreement(s) with him.

>Hagel would add needed foreign policy and, especially, military experience to any Democratic nominee.
As would Murtha, Webb, Ned Lamont, etc., etc.

Wait, I've got it -- nominate and elder centrist statesman as Democratic Vice President -- someone like Joe Lieberman! There's no way a ticket like that could lose!! Yay centrists!!1!1!1!

Just go back to bed, Klein.

Joe, don't you mean Bush has proved that to run this country with an iron hand one needs to reign from a position of mass corruption.

Hey, Joe, all ya' gotta do is e-mail Hagel and tell him how great his stand is. Then, you will get his regular news letter and appeal for funds. Heck, you can become a Husker Huckster without having to shuck the corn.

"(My guess is that a multilateral foreign policy, universal health insurance and an aggressive energy independence plan are all "liberal" ideas that will be perceived as centrist in 2008)."

Which points to the relativism of "centrism."

However, I'm sure the centrists will start claiming those liberal ideas as their own, soon enough. They will also continue to refer to liberals as "extremists."

"...you can only govern this country successfully from the center"

Not to say that there isn't a time for centrism, but FDR did a pretty good job governing, didn't he? Does this stem twister sound "centrist" to you? (I think it was purposefully *not* centrist):

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace-business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionism, war profiteering. They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob. Never before in history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hatred for me - and I welcome their hatred. I should like to have it said of my first administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second administration that in it these forces met their master.

- President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Speech at Madison Square Garden”

I mean, it depends where the center *is.* Sometimes leaders need to persuade and lead, not triangulate toward some supposed center.

Wait, I believe I've got it. If Bush is center, that makes Joe a liberal. If Hagel is the answer, that makes Broder's no election reform column honest.

"What if Chuck Hagel ran w/ Katherine Heigl? She's on a popular TV show, has a starring role in a high profile movie coming out this summer...AND she's a centrist! Rumors persist that John Kerry asked Heigl's Grey's Anatomy co-star Patrick Dempsey to be his running mate in '04...did John Kerry ask the WRONG Grey's Anatomy star?"

Funniest thing I've read all day by far.

I think Mr. Klein's only thinking of what's best for the Democratic Party. After all, he has also urged the Republican Party to nominate a Democrat for Vice-President in order to win bigger and govern more successfully in each of the last two elections.
Oh, wait--no he hasn't!

Collapse of center makes for a different political animal -- http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/bal-op.schaller02may02,0,7506945.column

"...The “Left vs. Right” split is not what the Cokie Robertses would have us believe.

There are two major political parties in the U.S. (trust me on this, I looked it up).

* Over the last several decades, the Republican Party has hurtled into the crazy fringes of the right
* The Democratic Party continues to espouse a modest form of progressivism, while in some ways inching — or miling — rightward, prodded by a right-leaning media and post-9/11 jingoism.

Bottom line, there is not a far left analogue to the ruling far right in American politics. There is a reasonable party that wants what most Americans want, and there is a lying, twisted, extremist, authoritarian party that wants, above all else, to channel power to the powerful. ..."
-- http://www.correntewire.com/with_apologies_to_lambert

"... It is a cliché to observe that the parties have drawn further apart, the center no longer holds, and partisans on both sides have withdrawn further into mutual loathing and ever more-homogenous and antagonistic groupings. Where the analysis goes wrong is in its assumption, either explicit or implicit, that both parties bear equal responsibility for this state of affairs. While partisanship may now be deeply entrenched among their voters and their elites, the truth is that the growing polarization of American politics results primarily from the growing radicalism of the Republican Party.

This is the sort of reality that most journalists know perfectly well to be true but cannot bring themselves to say, though this increased polarization drives them crazy. Almost without exception, mainstream reporters in Washington see moderation and bipartisanship as inherently virtuous. (Indeed, reverence for these qualities is essentially the defining belief of the Washington establishment.) Read almost any account of bills becoming law, and you'll notice the reporter's obvious affection for centrists who work both sides of the aisle. Yet they are unable to honestly explain to readers what's causing the decline of bipartisanship, thanks to another form of press bias: The desire not to seem biased. As practiced by the modern press, "objective" journalism requires avoiding the appearance of favoring one party over the other--even when the facts merit such a treatment. That's why, when news stories discuss polarization, they bend over backward to avoid laying the "blame" on the political right. ..." -- http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0406.glastris.html

You went blind a long time ago and I haven't seen your palms, but I can guess what they look like. You're too old to be indulging in these political masturbation fantasies. Palooka Joe Klein, next to David Broder the world's oldest political adolescent.

Obama needing Hagel's "help" makes about as much as sense as Eric Alterman needing Joe Klein's "help."

Joe, I for one applaud jokes about Hegel.

We all need more funny stuff about phenomenology and dialectical idealism in our daily lives.

Carry on!

Thesis: Pro-War Republicans

Antithesis: Chuck Hagel

Synthesis: Hagel-Bloomberg

http://ronmwangaguhunga.blogspot.com

So the aggressive, bullying, Limbaugh/Coulter rightists who dominate the GOP and practice full-contact, take-no-prisoners politics are going to, what? Meekly sit down and shut up?

This "Unity '08" thing is what Atrios refers to as a "pony plan." It's like Tom Friedman, who every few months drafts a new, idealized outline for how to win the Iraq War, that always depends on Dubya morphing into a sensitive, thoughtful multilateralist. Hilarious!

These are pleasant fantasies that have no relevance to any remotely conceivable reality. Joe, you may as well write a 5000-word article on why we should all be speaking Esperanto, or your scheme for replacing wars with croquet matches between world leaders.

Joe Klein @ top: "As Bush has proved, you can only govern this country successfully from the center."

Huh? The only thing Bush has proved is that you can't run the country if you're both right-wing and an idiot. (Yes, I know that's redundant -- I only make the distinction for those who don't know it. Yet.)

And as for the Obama/Hagel idea, are you crack Joe?

I mean, think about the efforts the Republicans made to impeach Clinton, even knowing that they'd end up with Gore as president if they succeeded?

Now, think about what the Pugs would do to Obama (or any Democrat) if they knew they could install a Pug President by impeachment?

There's just no freaking way any Democrat would run for President with a Republican VP, especially after the last 15 years. It would be like walking up to someone you know hates you, handing them a big sharp knife, and turning your back, after having conveniently placed a sign there that says: "STAB ME!"

In other words, it would be both insane and stupid.

And you accuse lefties of being too idealistic?

My God.

Sharpton/Tancredo Forever!

Hagel is no moderate. He may fool naive pundits, but when it comes down to the vote, he's a stone rightwinger, choosing the Republican party over the welfare of America at every chance. He has never been known to cast a principled vote, despite his rhetoric he will *always* betray his country in favor of the Bushies.

Why is heavens name do you think the Democrats need someone like him? We have *plenty* of moderates who are well qualified to lead, and who actually have principles, unlike anyone left in the Republican party. As a matter of fact, Joe, about 95% of the Democrats in Congress are moderates, so take your pick. You can't even name me a Democrat in office who is remotely to the left as the majority, 98%, of the Republicans are to the right. There just aren't any Republican moderates left any more.

And by the way, Republicans, as they have proven, are incapable of governing. They don't have the first clue about how to govern a great country like America. To them, it is all politics, because their policy is proved to be bankrupt. It doesn't work. They abandoned their conservative *ideals* the minute they gained power. Small government my rosy arse.

This idea of picking some rightwing loonie to run with a Democrat is just preposterous.

Shorter Joe Klein:

The one thing the Democratic Party really needs is a Republican as its standard bearer, because the Republican Party has demonstrated its superior capacity for governance thus far.

Separately, Mr. Klein, reconciliation requires truth. You aren't helping.

This is hilarious, yes, Joe, the dems should be climbing all over themselves to grovel for help from 'serious polititians', i.e. republicans and go after the Bush 30%'ers and alienate their base. I think the angle for the article should have been if republicans should try to get dems to run with them(which would actually would make strategic sense) we should spew them out of our mouths.

Hmm, a negative gain for a huge price/risk.

Welcome to Punditry land.
We are beyond the looking glass people, up is down, and white is black...

Okay, so what you're saying is that Bush and his Repubs have been fiercely partisan, and so the answer is that the Dems should do something so UNpartisan it's never been done before-- split the ticket? Excuse me, don't you get it that the parti- part of partisan means PARTY?

Besides which, why on earth would you think that Hagel doing something even more 'disloyal' than he's done before will get Repubs in Congress to be less difficult to deal with? Do you really think they'll vote for a bill because Hagel's VP?

The truth is, no matter what David Broder says, Americans like political parties and generally tend towards one or the other. (I mean, as individuals.) You can't get people to vote against their own interests or what they feel is right or the issues they care about by pretending that we all agree on everything. We don't. And parties have the duty to represent different points of view, so that we have a choice. Sometimes we choose 'wrong' (well, the Supreme Court did in 2000, the voters didn't), but it's more important that we have that choice.

So often this civility/union2008 movement sounds like what it's actually aiming for is 1 party rule. That was tried in the last century-- remember the USSR? Nasty as 'partisanship' might be, it is the very essence of democracy, and I am suspicious of anyone who thinks that the real danger comes from too much democracy and not too little.

A cut 'n run enthusiast like Chuck Hagel (RINO, France) would be the perfect fit for the nominee of the Democrat party.

Joe, these fantasy fusion tickets are ridiculous. Isn't the purpose of an election to give the people a choice between two contrasting governing visions and leadership teams? Why do you want to take that choice away in favor of center-straddling muck?

It's one thing to put one or two members of the other party in your cabinet, to reach out and get a range of views represented. But the Vice-Presidency is not the place to do that. You're a heartbeat away from reversing every policy the President supports and the people thought they were voting for.

Hagel is a conservative who regrets his vote in favor of the Iraq War. Big deal. If people fitting that description were as courageous as you seem to think, this war would be over by now.

It is extremely insulting for you to contend that a Democrat needs a Republican on the ticket to have "foreign policy, and especially military experience." The Democrats have plenty of distinguished statesmen and, yes, veterans to draw from. (You might have forgotten that we put a decorated military hero at the top of our ticket in 2004, for all the good it did us.)

The question is whether you and your like-minded drones in the media will ever wean yourselves from the deadly narcotic notion that only Republicans can really be "serious" about foreign policy.

I'm guessing not.

Kucinich/DC Madam 08

a boy'll be around wit yer donation envelope shoitly.

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