McCain Calls for MoveOn.org to be "Thrown Out of the Country"

When McCain uses the words "My friend(s)" he is always in the middle of saying something very nasty.
But that's okay, he just got carried away.

"I'm pandering to my base." John McCain on the media.

Yeah the right never engages is hate speach.
Ha ha ha It's not even funny.
What kind of mind goes for this kind of crap. The 27%ers are a breed apart. 30 million american voters are crazy. Wow. Just Wow. I guess that explains a couple things in American history like prohibition, creationism, mccarthyism, the nra, the klan, the birchers and the states rights crew.

Who says America doesn't have a shadow.
Talk about 'the dark side'

What with the crypto-fascist campaign logo McCain chose this time around and his buddying up to Bush, does it come as any surprise he's officially gone over to the neo-Stalinist wing of the party?

THROW OUT MCCAIN AND THE REST OF THE NEOCONS!
THEY ARE TRAITORS TO FREE SPEECH!

MOVEON.ORG AND THE KOS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

THROW OUT MCCAIN AND THE REST OF THE NEOCONS!
THEY ARE TRAITORS TO FREE SPEECH!

MOVEON.ORG AND THE KOS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

THROW OUT MCCAIN AND THE REST OF THE NEOCONS!
THEY ARE TRAITORS TO FREE SPEECH!

MOVEON.ORG AND THE KOS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

THROW OUT MCCAIN AND THE REST OF THE NEOCONS!
THEY ARE TRAITORS TO FREE SPEECH!

MOVEON.ORG AND THE KOS FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!

Before McCain tosses 'em out of the country, shouldn't he kick out those Clinton haters first?

What's good for the goose is good for the other goose...

He didn't get "carried away". He knew exactly what he was doing. He was catering his message to his audience, the base, the folks who would, if they could, kick all liberals out of their country or string them up as traitors simply for being against the war.

I once had respect for McCain. No more. He's whored himself out to Bush and to the base...and they still don't like him all that much!

And, personally, I think proposing that we "kick out" tens of thousands of American citizens simply for voicing their opinions and excercising their First Amendment rights is WAY worse than implying that Petraeus might lie or provide misleading testimony. The man would treat illegal aliens better than MoveOn.

Pathetic - both what he said and the man himself.

How do you "throw" a website "out of the country?"

He did forget about the First Amendmant of the Constitution, didn't he? Details, details...

And WHERE would he send them, anyway?

Always making excuses for the fascist pig aren't you?

THIS IS WHY ALL REPUBLICANS NEED IMPEACHMENT!
THEY ARE A THREAT TO OUR CIVIL LIBERTIES!
ALL REAL AMERICANS SEE THIS AND WILL ELECT HILLARY!

THANK YOU MCCAIN FOR SHOWING THE EVIL STUPIDITY THAT IS THE GOP!

So would you be making the "carried away" excuse--and relaying the campaign's packaging of it verbatim--if this had been Romney or Giuliani? Sounds like the McCain bus is a tank with wheels

Amazing, just amazing.

Ann Coulter proposes death to Supreme Court justices, editors of major US newspapers, slanders widows of 9/11 men, and she has a right to say whatever she wishes.

An independent group pays for an ad in a newspaper and Free speech? What free speech?

Do any of his BFF in the press corp point out that Rush said it about Hagel and in August some generals were mentioned in the Times of London calling Petraeus that? Just so St. John has the big picture.

And, as you noted earlier, Boehner just misspoke.

Pathetic.

The Republicans, especially McCain, have been holding the country at ransom for a President who has used the constitution like toilet paper.

If anyone needs to go it's traitors like John McCain.

Dear John McCain:

If MoveOn leaves the country, perhaps they will take you with them.

I say Good Day!

Where should we send Adm. Fallon, head of Centcom? He called Gen. Petraeus an "a**-kissing little chickensh**."

Should we rend him to a rival country that might engage in torture, maybe Syria, or to an ally, like maybe Tonga or Saudi Arabia, both of whom are key parts of the conflict in Iraq? There's a 36-nation force there, don'tcha know.

Why is this little turd treated like a hero. He was a prisoner of war. He got caught. He isn't a hero. How do we know he didn't talk? How do we know he isn't ready to go off at any second?

Naaah, just some of that straight talk. Plus, I have it on good authority that he made the comment without planning, and without informing his staff beforehand. He's just that kind of guy.

How are the donuts and such on his tour bus? Is he keeping y'all entertained with his stories and perpetual geniality? He's a great guy, you know, and it must be quite an honor for a pup like yourself to be on that bus with him, seeing the great, straight shooting, no surrendering, man, warts and all.

So?

The faux outrage of McCain on the a$$-ki$$ing express. We can forgive him if his knees are sore and jaw is tired. The applause will be even louder if he promises to use the torture techniques he learned at the hands of the Vietcong on Iraqiis. And I'm sure he'll be willing to oblige.

Proud Liberal Vet, that is way out of line. The guy withstood torture while he was a POW. He still can't lift his arms above his head.

He's sold out every principle I believed him to have in 2000, but there's no questioning his service. Come on.

At one time, the idea of McCain / Powell was one of the best "new" combinations out there! I respected both for their moderation and sincerity as well as providing leadership and sensible decision-making.

See how far they've fallen!

And to think I would have voted Republican...

Scary, huh?

"but there's no questioning his service. Come on."

He and his extremist friends have no problem questioning the service of liberals.

He can f*ck himself.

Yeah, Proud Liberal Vet. Out of line. I think McCain acted honorably as a POW, and wouldn't think less if he did talk. As for hero, it doesn't really matter to me if McCain was caught, Tillman shot by the enemy or friendly fire, or the folks who wrote the editorial for the NYT's truck overturned in the Green Zone or from an IED. It happened because they served, which is more than I can say for most of the architects of this failure.

However, losing limbs in Vietnam doesn't give you a pass from the DC pundits, so I see no reason why McCain shouldn't get a little for his far more cowardly actions today.

This is sad. What's become of John McCain is sad.

I voted for him in the 2000 Republican primary, the first and only time I've ever voted in a Republican primary.

TomT

I don't know what's happened to him. I do not know whether he actually was considering Powell, but I really had respect for both, because at the time he was hitting issues on the head that his compatriots were sweeping under the table.

I also respected the fact that he saw action and suffered for his country, so I don't know why he should be going so far to give himself a "personality transplant".

Is it raw ambition? He was building a base of his own, it seems, but this recent change has seen him jettison the solid core of support he had to try to appeal to something that just wasn't in his nature.

What do you think? Do you have any guesses or insights?

Has swampland become the Gaff Police? Seriously, how is this different then Dean getting carried away w/ a scream?

It would be nice to see the coverage focused less on this trivial stuff when there's so much more important things to talk about like Edward's hair or Fred T's trophy wife...

Where were all these media people when Republicans were accusing Harry Reid of aiding and abetting the enemy? Denny Hastert said exactly that and nobody said boo. Moveon and the Democrats ought to run those clips of Republicans using words like "traitor" and "aiding and abetting the enemy" everytime these idiots cry about the Petraeus add. If they don't like nasty rhetoric questioning someones patriotism and love of country, they should practice a little of what they preach.

Why in the world are you giving this senile prune such coverage. He is far less entertaining than Romney and has little chance of winning a single primary. So what that he's got a mean streak guaranteeing multiple "macaca" moments. I'd rather watch paint dry than read about the Walnuts Bore/Bush-Me-To Death Express tour. Let Chris Matthews cover the guy.

So many McCain blogs in one day. I see the MSM is revving up the McCain Tongue Bath Express.
You love him; you really love him!!!

Yes, McCain really believes MoveOn and its contributors should be deported.

"Is it raw ambition?"

I think so. That combined with the fact that he really is a little crazy. That seemed cute at first, but not so much anymore.

I'm shocked! Shocked to hear a candidate for public office use rhetoric! All campaign rhetoric must be stopped - immediately!

If we are to take McCain literally does that apply to all of the other candidates as well?

I hope McCain is the first one through the door when they come to throw me out.

Joe must be proud!

The RNC thanks you, Joe!

Wall to wall MoveOn on CNN tonight.

Nothing on Boehner yet.

How much does the RNC pay Susan Malveaux for her reporting?

Selective indignation. A once proud and honorable warrior has now prostituted himself on the altar of political expediency. I have said this before and say it again. McCain has transitioned from a principled man to a panderer. He will never become President. He is a shadow of his former self and I pity him. I appeal to MoveOn not to say anything against McCain. He can't take it. Oh, by the way, freedom of speech is alive and well - perhaps not on the XXXExpress.

McCain likes freedoms kept under glass, not to actually be exercised in disagreement with Republicans like Petraeus.

It's a great ad. I love it and I will send some money to MoveOn this weekend.

This is nothing more than a slander post. Notice how Mcain said "ought". He did not say, "If I am elected I will kick these guys out of the country." When he says that such disgraceful things shouldn't be in America, I agree with him- but that doesn't mean I am going to tar and feather the Moveon.org writers and fundraisers, does it?

Your reading of this comment makes me question the whole integrity of your other articles. It is sad that American political commentators have to stoop down this low.

I can't understand why people don't understand that General Petraeus is a sacred cow.

As a sacred cow everything that Petraeus says is the truth.

No one can ever question anything Petraeus says, because Petraeus is a sacred cow.

If you do question the sacred cow, Petraeus, you are a traitor to the country, and ought to leave.

I think that is about it.

McCain should have said that every member of Moveon.orgasm should be tried for treason, convicted and then confined for life or immediately executed. That way, McCain would not have received any criticism from the treason lobby, right?

Poor widdle jingoberries are all discombobulated! Well, they need SOMETHING to talk about besides their less-than-mediocre presidential slate.

MoveOn's ad was actually a lot milder than Petraeus deserved. You can read a more accurate assessment of Petraeus' testimony at http://diatribune.com/petraeus-eats-booger-national-tv

Kevin's I don't know what happened QUIZ:

1. Brain mets from melanoma
2. PTSD
3. Campaign Fatigue releasing the inner angry child
4. medication
5. Unfit for duty

Meantime, back at FAUX Bolton is playing 'Sayonara, Syria', starring Red Button.

Did McCain indicate which country, or countries, he wanted MoveOn.org banished to? Will he be providing trains to take MoveOn.org to it's new destination?
I imagine CNN will be running this story on a 10 minute rotation, and McCain will be condemned by Joe Lieberman and John Cornyn.

Surely Cornyn will ask the Senate to condemn McCain's suggestion that Americans should lose their citizenship for expressing an opinion.

It's OK he's a Republican. Whatever repugnant thing he says will be excused and swept under the carpet by Ana and her buddies because he's their hero. Move along now move along.

Sounds to me like John-boy wants to limit free speech. He'll make a perfect heir to the current Chimp-in-Chief.

CNN will be all over it.

No Surrender

The McCarthy Express

Anony: Just caught the Malveaux, Jeffreys, Carville 'discussion' about MoveOn.Org. I'd say that Malveaux is the CNN's Armstrong Williams.

Oh, the righteous anger of 'Swiftboaters-Call Me' Party Strategist Jeffreys with Malveaux doing a disclaimer about Carville's associations for stating that the MoveOn.Org NYT and new TV ads are factual. Followed by the Rudy statement. Cut to breaking news: OJ and If I Did [Didn't] Do It, again.

Today Cheney speaks 'Victory', but the Bush doesn't during the WH PR tour. 'Victory' no longer prime time?

Ana can you ask the British Ambassador what his country would do if John McCain sent 40 million people back to Britain?

So, AMC, I know you have been sent to the back of the 'no surrender' back-up bus, but who's covering the Bush's Honey Hunt's so sweet Kurd Oil deals?

Also, another Armstrong Williams at CNN seems to be Bubba Starr playing the Pentagon's Walter Reed Propaganda release while the GAO is calling the VA's self-reported numbers as fictitious.

How do you "throw" a website out of the country?

Perhaps you pull the handle and flush it down the "internets tubes."

Just a thought...

Now MoveOn.org plans to blast Bush in the next commercial they have ready to go.

I'm all in favor of a level playing field where Republicans, conservatives, and their "Sacred Cows" are no longer exempt from harsh criticism in the media. Now, at least, THEY can experience the bite of the same dog they loosed on everyone else the past 30 years.

Taste the waste, neocons! Ir's your own, you know...

Pay particular attention to the commenters about the 5,700 troops Bush promised to "bring home".

Talk about spin!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/14/bush.speech.reader.feedback/index.html

CNN will put Malveaux and Bash on the McCain story, to make certain they get to the bottom of it.

Hon Senator McCain,

I believe that for purpose of unity and fairness you need to call on John ‘the-Iraq-War-is-a-“small price”’ Boehner to be thrown out of the country as well.
I didn’t hear you to call for ouster of Bob Perry...A One Man 527 and his henchmen - the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth during ’04 election, did I? That kind of selective indignation doesn’t make you very appealing candidate, mind you.
It’s not that we didn’t get fooled by a general before (Colin Powell comes to mind). I wish you well, but you are no Gen. Smedley Butler!

Guess 'no surrender' might have beat out the 'the thompson troupe' for the 'foot in mouth' award of the week, but here's more fun that might knock Craig out for the 'caught with your pants down' award.

From Alaska:
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1662117,00.html

But I really think that Bush's Hunt trumps both the under reported Fabian and the much reported Hsu.

I just joined moveon, and gave them $50.--

a sound investment in America's future!

I know that means I won't get to enjoy the benefits of the Rapture,

but I'm not gettin' left behind.

I'm movin' on!

McCain has always been strongly against 527s. He was one of the most outspoken critics of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth in 2004.

I agree with him. The purpose of campaign finance reform was not to reconsolidate power into shiny, new, special interest fringe groups. It is an abuse of the law as it stands that these things do exist as they do.

-Ben

Link to MoveOn's new ad [CNN is labelling it the new betrayal ad] while I see it as 'basic math' of the "Petreaus Plan'.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/14/moveon.ad/index.html

If anybody reading this is unfamiliar with the acronym IOKIYAR, it stands for "It's OK If You're A Republican."

This is Exhibit A. If [Dem prez candidate] had called for [some right-wing group] to be "thrown out of the country," that Democrat's comments would be BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!11 on every channel.

Everything Democrats say is immediately placed under a microscope, but nothing McCain or Boehner say gets any scrutiny at all. Why the double standard? Is it because Baron von Limbaugh has been raving about those evil liberalsss in the media for two decades?

Boehner calls 3,000+ American deaths in Iraq a "small price" and....the media doesn't seem to have noticed. He backpedalled, saying that he was referring to the $$$ spent, but his words clearly referred to spilled blood as well.

This is a guy who will cry and complain about funding welfare, Social Security, education, infrastructure, stuff that actually benefits American citizens, but a trillion dollars in what may as well be foreign aid to Iraq is chump change?

The Bushies can't rebuild New Orleans, but rebuilding Baghdad takes priority over everything else. Why?

IOKIYAR.

Oops, forgot to post a link to Bush's honey:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/14/9380/04464

It looks like OJ might give MoveOn a little breathing space. McCain will need to crank up the volume of his moral outrage.

"Get the Brownshirts out there to round up these traitors, and brand a big MO on their foreheads! Put them into camps until they can be moved overseas or eliminated!"

Jesus Christos, what the hell is going on with our Conservative candidates--double GitMo, bomb Iran, win an unwinnable war...these guys are f**king NUTS!

Speaking of the noble left and their latest foray into wacky irrelevance...

These guys should be deported on the same boat as the Moron.org pukes...

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27049_CODEPINK_Tantrum_Tomorrow_in_DC&only

WE DEMAND IMPEACHMENT OF ANY NEOCONS WHO STIFLE OUR FREE SPEECH!

CALL YOUR PELOSI AND DEMAND IT NOW!!

I gave MoveOn $25 last night.

It's time we stand behind those progressive orgs on the front lines. The more Repub whack 'em the more money we send 'em. Seems only fair to me.

"Senator McCain, like most Americans, is appalled by the MoveOn.org ad. Last night he expressed his outrage in words that did not convey his intended meaning."

Sorry Mr. Crazy Man, using words that convey intended meaning is a prerequisite for the job you are seeking.

Anonymouse: are your lgf afraid of folks wearing T-shirts/costumes and carrying signs? Besides I'll raise you 6 Capitol Cops:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/62293/?comments=view&cID=728944&pID=728690

for reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Yearwood

One thing the "Wacky Left" hasn't done much of yet is to Swift Boat an honorable serviceman or woman yet!

I'm hoping we don't ever go there. That will leave the Tighty Righties all alone in that department!

Ana Marie Cox -

Good reporting.

To those who gave their last measure to protect all of American's Freedoms Daily Kos tells their stories. From the libnetroots [book mark it and take the time to honor them all]

http://www.dailykos.com/tag/igtnt

Use the links starting with 'there's more' to get their stories.

Malveaux got a bit of a bashing ysterday. She started with the Congress's in low in the polls line only to be told that the MSM is even lower. Twice. She dropped that one like a hot potato. I say to politicians: as soon as someone in the press talks about Congress'low poll numbers, just ask what the poll number is for the media. That should set the context. At least we will then listen to a conversation by two lots of pretty useless characters.

A word of advice to St John: My friend, you have served us well in the past. You serve us ill now. Begone. The pasture awaits you. Nibble away at the sustenance provided and enjoy a well earned rest. All you are doing now is embarrassing yourself. Not good, not good at all.

Hmmmmm... and wasn't McCain flying over Viet Nam killing people from a distance?

Not really a hero in my mind. Didn't have to look them in the face.

Yes, I know he did some terrible time and suffered greatly in their "prison", too. But what has he done for America since?

St. John is acting like he's hazy on the Constitution and Fredrick of Hollywood can't remember the Schiavo case. Trying to find your inner Reagan doesn't mean early Alzheimer's re-enactment. It's the vision thing.

I respect Senator McCain's military service. It does not serve us well to call that into question. What would serve us well is for everyone to flood his online campaign site with the demand to know where he was when the Swift Boat group was spreading disgusting lies about Senator Kerry's service, and suggest he not be quite so hypocritical in his denounciations.

If enough people - supporters (I am not one) and those opposed to him - speak up, I believe he'll drop this - as would all the other candidates and Republicans who have latched onto this ad as their latest diversionary tactic, if THEIR phone lines, email inboxes and websites were overflowing about this issue.

We need to make our voices heard outside the choir loft that is the blogosphere - no one is really paying attention to us here.

McCain didn/t speak out when he was attacked by the Bush machine in 2000 it doesn't surprise me he didn't defend Kerry.
At his core he is a frightened man covering with inch deep charm.
Which is deep enough for his "base"

I used to LOVE McCain! And now it just seems like he decided the Maverick thing didn't work, so now he's "playing ball" by resorting to silly name-calling and base pandering.

This entire persona he's had since he lost in 2000 has been such a counterintuitive move on McCain's part, I wonder if he'll look back on this period as his own personal Perot moment.

Calling for the removal of websites is SO anti-Libertarian I wonder if he is tossing and turning in bed, or whether he's proud of himself for getting the crowd all riled up....

Why do those conservative crowds cheer so much at undefinable boogiemen? I wonder if most of them even know more than that the mention of MoveOn.org is a cue to yell in disgust.

You can bet that if by some miracle McCain becomes the puke candidate he will be back suck holing to moderates, pretending he wasn't serious about all that right-wing extremist stuff. You can also bet the press will be in his corner going along with it.

You are all right. I was wrong to say what I did. It was terribly unconsitutional to say those things. I had a bad hemorrhoid flare up that day and wanted to take it out on some lefties. Nobody should vote for me. I am a traitor to the principles I stood for in 2000. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a bathroom appointment with Larry Craig.

The face of the modern Democrat party.
You guys must be so proud.
Keep on donating to them, idiots...

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27046_The_Democratic_Base&only

You are all right. I was wrong to say what I did. It was terribly unconsitutional to say those things. I had a bad hemorrhoid flare up that day and wanted to take it out on some lefties. Nobody should vote for me. I am a traitor to the principles I stood for in 2000. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a bathroom appointment with Larry Craig

Anonymouse:

I AM proud. I AM an American, and I AM proud of our troops. THEY have to do whatever ignorant, cruddy job you Neocons have put them to regardless of truths or not. BUT...

What's a "pinko"? What's a "liberal"? Do you even know what they are?

The commenters on that website are far harsher on fellow Americans than MoveOn EVER was to Patreaus. When patreaus entered politics, he became a target.

Don't forget, Anonymouse, I've been around for a good long time and one thing I really detest is the idea that it's ok to "loath" or "hate" fellow Americans because their views don't match with yours.

And, in THIS country, I am glad to say, BECAUSE of the durability of the First Amendmant, YOU get to reap what you've sewn for the past 30 years.

Taste the waste, Anonymouse, because it's your own...

I dislike the ad a great deal, but Petraeus is supposed to be a "warrior" - surely he cannot fear a website or newspaper ad!!!

The Bushies love the troops; hate the solider.

I can't believe someone just linked to Little Green Fascists to provide evidence of how far gone the left is. That site's got more exterminationist rhetoric and paranoia than Stormfront.

Thrown out from 30,000 sans parachute works for me!

"One thing the "Wacky Left" hasn't done much of yet is to Swift Boat an honorable serviceman or woman yet!

I'm hoping we don't ever go there. That will leave the Tighty Righties all alone in that department!"

McCain slammed swiftboat. He still does, whenever it comes up.

Read a book.

-Ben

kevbo:

Campaign finance reform, one of McCain’s central causes, is censorship. That is the point. I happen to agree with the bill. You certainly don't have to, but is silly to accuse him of being inconsistent about this issue when he authored a bill designed to eliminate groups like this.

He has never been shy about it. When the bill passed, neither were Democrats who voted with him. Unlike McCain, Dems are just inconsistent about it. They attack conservative special interests, whereas McCain attacks all of them.

-Ben

Can we all get this indignant the next time a candidate talks about watching out for the working family - just before retiring to their mulit-million dollar home? (and most of them are multi-millionaires) Senator McCain has been consistent in his efforts to close loopholes that enable groups like MoveOn (and their conservative counterparts) to have so much influence. I'm sure that there would be no outcry on this board if he had said that Focus on the Family should be thrown out of the country. In fact, many that have posted criticism here would be singing his praises. It appears that it's only considered censorship if an organization that you like is the one singled out for criticism.

If MoveOn were serious about appealing to anyone outside of their base (yes that phrase applies to both ends of the political spectrum) they would have used a different headline in their ad. Their choice of an unnecessarily inflammatory headline shows that they are more concerned about fanning the flames (and raising money from the base) than working towards a meaningful consensus on a brutally difficult problem. Think about that the next time you are tempted to attack the Republicans for using wedge issues to raise money from their base. I personally think the tactic, whichever side uses it, is disgusting and shows a lack of true ideas and vision.

Ben,

Read a book?

Read the posts.

As a matter of fact, it isn't even an issue. My comment applies to the right wingers as a hole (not misspelled!).

Read up farther on the posts for my views on the "former" McCain.

JM,

I can tell from your comments that you are on the right, which is ok, but...

I have a sneaking hunch that the McCain you speak of has skewed so far off the course of his previous (and true) personality that his impartiality vis the Right vs Left is no longer to be trusted.

In any case, I have to admit that I don't have a problem with people like MoveOn doing what they are doing. It's not because I want political debate to dive to new lows, it's a more basic couple of things:

The Right has gotten away for 30 years with the tactic of smearing anyone and anything by slapping the "liberal" tag on some Americans and then calling them collectively "traitors", "scum", or far, FAR worse. They were even able, in the midst of an election, bersmirch the service record of a fellow American (see numerous posts above) and, wonder of wonders, get away with it!

Now, finally after 30 years, capped by the last 7 years of total buffoonery, right wingers get to taste their own waste.

Yes, I'll admit to the basic appeal of revenge, and hopefully, following this, we can whip the weasels on both sides back into their borrows.

In the meantime, I, for one, am ENJOYING the heck out of it. You righties havve earned it!

Keven:

Read it out of context. I thought you were lumping McCain with the "wacky right."

Sorry.

-Ben

No problem Ben. I REALLY liked the old McCain!

-Keven

Keven:

The bigger problem is that right wing smear tactics cheapened the right as much as it did the left. This is not the left getting revenge on the right (Rove was about as nasty a campaigner as we have seen) but that they are making the same mistakes. Right wing sleaze may have hurt the left in terms of losing elections, but it hurt the right by creating a political environment that drove policy despite the will of constituents.

No one really gains when groups like moveon and swiftboat take over political discourse. One side might win the election because of it, but they no longer hold the reigns of the government.

-Ben

Ben -
I agree with you, I have a purely selfish reason for the enjoyment of the newest paradigm, and it does contribute to the degeneration of political discourse.

After years of rightist cr*p, from the Angry White Male in the '80s besmirching the accomplishments and interests as well as character of minority Americans through the latest Rovian discourse, I'm glad to see the tables turn.

In a bow to the fact that I am being selfish and that I recognize it, I try to limit my blasts to responses to those who fire first. That way, I have some minute level of justification for it.

A right-winger would just say:

Get a life!
or
Stop whining!

As an added comment, I would also say that the moment I see that the political discourse on the left degenerate into a KOS KIDZ-style mumbo-jumbo rhetoric, I will probably take my leave.

I don't want this country ruled by extremists on either side.

How do you "throw" a website "out of the country?"

It's easy, just grab the connecting "tubes" firmly, whirl it around your head a couple of times and let it fly. Hat tip to Senator Stevens.

Isn't McCain a third-generation Navy man?

He should have a little sit-down with Admiral Fallon.

Will he recommend throwing Fallon out the country?

Mr. Madison, Sir -

Respectfully, you are wrong. Wrong, as in wrong. I thought the MoveOn ad, while correct in spirit, used a clever play on words that was inappropriate. Nevertheless, far worse is the usual wail of faux indignation arising from those masters of invective, the right-wing.

As far as McCain goes, I can't speak for anyone else, but I would be just as angry at any presidential candidate, even one who I otherwise supported, who said that Focus on the Family "should be thrown out of the country." I don't like Focus on the Family, I don't like what they are doing to the country that they and I both inhabit, I do not understand their way of thinking, and I wish that they didn't exist. Nevertheless, I respect their right as Americans to hold the opinions that they do and would not "sing the praises" of anyone who suggested otherwise. Please provide us with some example of a leader on the left who has ever made the kind of remarks denying freedom of speech to those holding a different point of view that are so common on the right.

Here's a guy who's gotten a lot of mileage out of spritzing napalm onto little girls. I'd like to see all the warrior types get together on a real battlefield and fight to the last subhuman savage.

Back in the days of the "Angry White Male", they hid behind their moderators on their bb's to hurl racial slurs (they do still - witness the recent Don Imus brouhaha), then call anyone who called them on it "divisive" or "playing the race card" and that they are just being "honest" or "shooting from the hip". That was the '80s and early '90s.

Then they evolved into furious mob of anti-government activists and haters, putting up websites openly advocating killing government workers and in some cases, posting hit lists. Timothy McVeigh drew legitimacy from the "Patriot Movement" at this time, and he was emboldened to kill 192 Americans in a burst of hatred that was reflected in many Republican websites. I remember it well. The day after the ERM building was destroyed, most of those sites abruptly disappeared. THAT was the Republicans of the mid '90s.

A few years ago, around 9/11, they celebrated by hurling insults at "liberals" like "traitor" and "terrorist", or worse. Catching them out would get you the rejoinder:
"Get A Life", or "Whiner!".

You can tell who they are, because they are the first to sling about the word "liberal" or some other now meaningless epithet at the rest of the posters.

I've left out the looniness of Pat Robertson and the religious right, who might be closer to Ayatolla Khomeini than to any American for their wish to blur the distinction between church and state, but the right wing's recent history is the filthiest of the filthy.

Now, they seem to think they are somehow, older, wiser, and more knowledgable than everyone else. They point their fingers at the rest of the posters, but judging by how their finger stinks, I can guess where it was...

Finally, after 30 years, the paradigm has changed, and I won't pass up the opportunity to remind those *@# of their own history.

I challange ANYONE to dispute their history, and remind them that "what goes around comes around" is a caveat that is still very mich alive!

And I, for one, am enjoying it...

This is the first time I've double posted, but actually, THIS forum is the most appropriate for these comments.

-Keven

HEY KEVEN - WE ARE IN CHARGE NOW AND WE WILL BE RUNNING THINGS AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN WE DON'T CARE IF WE HAVE YOU OR NOT. YOU ARE NO ONE. WE ARE THE CORE OF THE DNC. WE CANNOT BE STOPPED. YOU CAN BE INTELLIGENT AND JOIN US OR BE AN IDIOT LOSER NEOCON. CHOOSE.

What's next from St. McCain?Send people he disagrees with to the ovens?Typical fascist stuff from the right.

KOS KIDZ -

Are you Anonymouses' sockpuppet?

It could happen...

YOU WISH KEVEN!
YOU COULD ONLY WISH!
I AM AN ORIGINAL KOSSACK BACK WHEN YOU STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FASHONABLE TO BE A NEOCON.

Hmmmm...

Anonymouse and KOS KIDZ...

There is a certain vector symmetry to it...

After all, not one thought that the weak force was in any way related to electormagnatism, either...

It COULD happen... couldn't it?

Maybe the test is to see if Anonymouse and KOS KIDZ, upon colliding, disappear in a flash of y!

Let's slam 'em together and see!

"Keven":

There is a certain vector symmetry to you and QH as well. Are you QH's sock puppet?

Keven = QH

The angry white guys got what they deserved at the polls last time 'round and will likely see more losses this time too. Many of them are pond scum. However, I do agree with the point that the Dems are now repeating their tactics and will thus make many of the same mistakes now that they are in power. From my perspective I live in one of those "liberal basition" states, where I see exactly the same kind of intolerance for views that are not from the left that we see nationally from the party of angry white guys.

Hypocrisy pervades politics in this country (go figure) which is why I am a "small c" conservative (smaller, less invasive government -no pun intended). McCain used to stand for that, I'm still trying to figure out whether some of his positions and statements are just bad political judgement or real changes in thinking. I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

At least you used lower case letters KOS KIDZ! Thanks, I can actually communicate WITH you now...

Actually, I'm kind of guessing even if I wasn't, QAQH is so much my opposite that annhilation just might happen.

Hope he/she doesn't live in the same town I do. I'm guessing it'll be 10^27 ergs or thereabouts of y if I were to accidentally shake hands with QH!

Someone 40 miles away could toast their bread just by holding it up facing the flash. Neat, huh?

You might now see that I have very, VERY little respect for those Noeconservative right-wingers I speak of.

To JM:
Yes, very true, there is liberal intolerance too. I'm against illegal immigration, which entitles me to the tag of "racist" or "xenophobe" on that side and nothing could be farther from the truth.

However, it is good that their history should be known - nothing like it in recent history has ever reared it's ugly head like this in the history of thie country since the early 1900's.

Anonymouse:

I've gone to LGF's website at your behest, but it really seems that the humorous title is wasted. I love the logo as it is kinda wacky humor, but when you dig down into the comments, the people there are pretty much moronic.

Unmoderated? Huh! Except for the "annoying" posts...

No brain power except for a few "leaders" who are clearly leading the moronic posters around by the nose, sorta like dittoheads, don't you think?

Wow, to think, in Jurassic Park, heards of Gallamimus in tight flocks changed directions almost simultaneously, as if on cue. A wonder of paleontological sluething some of which has actual support in the fossil record!

The point is, I think dittoheads are worse off than the dinosaurs, and they're all dead (exc for birds)! I have a sneaking hunch that a heard of dittoheads would turn as if on cue, just like Gallamimus, but would run smack into a wall painted blue like the sky...

Watch out for that rock from space, Anonymouse!

KEVEN - WHY WOULD YOU EVEN JUSTIFY THE NEONAZI SITE LITTEL GREEN MORONS BY GOING THERE?

I agree that McCain has definitely changed. He used to be a man of principle, and I also voted in the 2000 Republican Primaries for him. I knew there was a good chance of a Republican winning and I wanted a say in which Republican it was. Anyway, he is not the same man he was even 2 years ago. I think Bush let it be known to him that if he ever wanted to be elected, he better get on the party band-wagon. It's such a shame. He was such an honorable man at one time.

Dissent will not be tolerated.

KOS KIDS:
I went to LGF to see what the fuss was about. If you read my comments, you will see my opinion of the site, the post is just above your last here.

In this day and age, knowledge is power, and I like to keep myself well armed...

In all the past thirty or so years I've been old enough to follow politics, only once have I ever considered voting Republican.

That time was when the McCain/Powell ticket was floated.

THE NEONAZIS ONLY DESERVE TO BE SHOUTED DOWN AND IMPRISONED FOR HATE CRIMES! DON'T LET THEM INTO YOUR HEAD!

Republicans used the images of John Kerry and Max Cleland when they were swiftboating two true American war heroes, but MoveOn.org can't use the image of Petraeus, who sold out the armed forces because he wants to run as the Republican candidate for president in 2012. Republicans are such hypocrites. Why is it ok for Republicans to lie and slander Democrats, while MoveOn.org is vilified for an ad that tells the truth?

The rhetoric of the neocons is resembling the Nazi party more and more every day. Listen to some early Nazi party speeches and you'll see a chilling similarity in the vitriol and extremist suggestions on dealing with dissent.

Of course when confronted they always say "we were only using a metaphor, wink wink, nudge nudge".

John McCain is a very loose a**-hole that spews nothing but SH**!

All I've ever seen at the VFW, was drunken rednecks...he must have been appealing to them.

Will he be calling for lynching all the MoveOn.org members when he appears at the next Klan rally?

McCain is desperately trying to save his sinking ship. Ron Paul is the only option for true patriots!

Want to start your private office arms race?

I just got my own USB rocket launcher :-) Awsome thing.

Plug into your computer and you got a remote controlled office missile launcher with 360 degrees horizontal and 45 degree vertival rotation with a range of more than 6 meters - which gives you a coverage of 113 square meters round your workplace.
You can get the gadget here: http://tinyurl.com/2qul3c

Check out the video they have on the page.

Cheers

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